Deep Impact Tests Positive in the Arc

blackthroatedwind · #1 10-19-2006, 10:34 AM

Drugs - the great intercontinental uniter in racing.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35878

Hwjb · #2 10-19-2006, 10:35 AM

Americo-Japanese unifier perhaps. No blurred boundaries in Europe.

blackthroatedwind · #3 10-19-2006, 10:37 AM

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Americo-Japanese unifier perhaps. No blurred boundaries in Europe.

You wouldn't happen to reside in Europe by any chance? If you think cheating isn't going on EVERYWHERE perhaps you needs to get your head out of the sand.

saucon17 · #4 10-19-2006, 10:42 AM

Wonder if this is going to like Brass Hat problem in
Dubai with the paper work being screwed up about medication
about what you can use and not use and when you should stop
giving the mediaction.

Hwjb · #5 10-19-2006, 10:54 AM

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You wouldn't happen to reside in Europe by any chance? If you think cheating isn't going on EVERYWHERE perhaps you needs to get your head out of the sand.

I meant that the use of medication such as lasix is banned in Europe, where, conicidentally, the number of positive drug cases is far lower.

paisjpq · #6 10-19-2006, 10:36 AM

I was just getting ready to post this...great minds?

blackthroatedwind · #7 10-19-2006, 10:38 AM

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I was just getting ready to post this...great minds?

Mediocre minds?

paisjpq · #8 10-19-2006, 10:38 AM

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Mediocre minds?

yours maybe...

Sightseek · #9 10-19-2006, 10:38 AM

Oversight since it is not banned in their country?

blackthroatedwind · #10 10-19-2006, 10:41 AM

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Oversight since it is not banned in their country?

It's always oversight...isn't it?

So, their excuse would be that they didn't find out what substances were banned in Europe and not in Japan?

" We aren't cheaters....we're stupid " perhaps? Wasn't that Steve Assmussen's latest defense? Is this part of a universal code?

Sightseek · #11 10-19-2006, 10:44 AM

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It's always oversight...isn't it?

So, their excuse would be that they didn't find out what substances were banned in Europe and not in Japan?

" We aren't cheaters....we're stupid " perhaps? Wasn't that Steve Assmussen's latest defense? Is this part of a universal code?

It's a Class 3 here in the States, why would you mess with something that was questionable to even affect the horses racing performance? I'm willing to give the people the benefit of the doubt if the horse was being treated for something during his long layoff that the public was never informed of (which we never are and should be IMO).

My thoughts too saucon.

paisjpq · #12 10-19-2006, 10:45 AM

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It's always oversight...isn't it?

So, their excuse would be that they didn't find out what substances were banned in Europe and not in Japan?

" We aren't cheaters....we're stupid " perhaps? Wasn't that Steve Assmussen's latest defense? Is this part of a universal code?

I agree ...ignorance is no excuse. I don't care what the drug was...if he had some type of bronchial infection then he shouldn't have been running...if he did not have an infection he shouldn't have been on the medication.

philcski · #13 10-19-2006, 10:47 AM

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Drugs - the great intercontinental uniter in racing.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35878

Does this drug have any performance enhancement? If yes, they should have given him more of it.

#14 10-19-2006, 10:50 AM

I'm sorry but this sounds very "Brass Hattish" to me.
And if everyone thinks that ipratropium is whats hopping up performances these days, I really can't agree.

paisjpq · #15 10-19-2006, 10:54 AM

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I'm sorry but this sounds very "Brass Hattish" to me.
And if everyone thinks that ipratropium is whats hopping up performances these days, I really can't agree.

does it really matter if the drug is enhancing? It's banned...end of story.
And if the horse needed to be on the medication for a legitimate infection then he should not have been running.

#16 10-19-2006, 11:01 AM

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does it really matter if the drug is enhancing? It's banned...end of story.
And if the horse needed to be on the medication for a legitimate infection then he should not have been running.

Beth the recommended wear off times vary from horse to horse based on a number of factors, come on you know that.
I'm not defending illegal drugs, but I'm extremelt tired of certain national columnists painting everyone with the same brush who gets a positive regardless of its nature. Of course the same guy has written a lot of pump articles for a buddy of his who he claims tobe so great, who has had more postives than a planned parenthood clinic in a college town.
Ths is irrepsonsible journalism thats causing the public to believe that a trace amount of therapeutic medicine is the same as monkeying one up on raceday with high test go go juice.
Its just not so.

paisjpq · #17 10-19-2006, 11:07 AM

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Beth the recommended wear off times vary from horse to horse based on a number of factors, come on you know that.
I'm not defending illegal drugs, but I'm extremelt tired of certain national columnists painting everyone with the same brush who gets a positive regardless of its nature. Of course the same guy has written a lot of pump articles for a buddy of his who he claims tobe so great, who has had more postives than a planned parenthood clinic in a college town.
Ths is irrepsonsible journalism thats causing the public to believe that a trace amount of therapeutic medicine is the same as monkeying one up on raceday with high test go go juice.
Its just not so.

but would you not agree that some of what is wrong with racing is the reliance on, and the acceptance of, theraputic medications? It is what has allowed many horsemen to get away with running horses that simply need TIME OFF. If this horse had a lung infection...great. treat him and give him some days...instead they obviously came too close to the withdrawl window and it caught up with them...I do not feel sorry for them.

blackthroatedwind · #18 10-19-2006, 10:51 AM

I am amazed at the tolerance people seem to show towards drug positives. We are at a point in racing where the prevelance of undetectable performance enhancers are being used rampantly and some of the same people who may use these also get caught with overages in known illegal medications. A little gluttonous if you ask me.

Here's a thought....stop defending the cheaters and cheating...no matter what it is and who is doing it. It's basically called zero tolerance.

#19 10-19-2006, 10:54 AM

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I am amazed at the tolerance people seem to show towards drug positives. We are at a point in racing where the prevelance of undetectable performance enhancers are being used rampantly and some of the same people who may use these also get caught with overages in known illegal medications. A little gluttonous if you ask me.

Here's a thought....stop defending the cheaters and cheating...no matter what it is and who is doing it. It's basically called zero tolerance.

BTW,
Ask your friend the trainer about his absolute bull**** positive for a salve that was used to treat cracked feet.
They aren't machines and they get ailments that must be treated and the wear off times can be tricky and vary from horse to horse.
Zero tolerance on performance enhancing stuff, yeah, count me in. But you simply can't condemn trainers who treat cracked feet or lung infections or cuts the same way that you treat a guy who jams a tube into a horses mouth or injects them with a hopper on race day.
Surely you must understand the difference here.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #20 10-19-2006, 11:05 AM

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BTW,
Ask your friend the trainer about his absolute bull**** positive for a salve that was used to treat cracked feet.
They aren't machines and they get ailments that must be treated and the wear off times can be tricky and vary from horse to horse.
Zero tolerance on performance enhancing stuff, yeah, count me in. But you simply can't condemn trainers who treat cracked feet or lung infections or cuts the same way that you treat a guy who jams a tube into a horses mouth or injects them with a hopper on race day.
Surely you must understand the difference here.

I have to agree with you on this. Some trainers use drugs deliberately and intentionally to enhance a horses performance in a race if there is little chance of them getting caught. However, most of the time, that isn't the case. The veterinarians make a lot of mistakes too with these medications like not giving the horse the proper dosage, or giving them the medication later than they were supposed to which can cause the horse to have a positive drug test.

Oh yeah, and I agree with your other posts too on this thread.