The one race I want hedge my bet

jpops757 · #1 11-03-2006, 08:56 AM

I may be folish but all my bets around the juvi will single CQ. I reserve the right to change my mind but this is the way I heading. Great Hunter and Principal Secret ar the only others that I might play in a double or two.

zippyneedsawin · #2 11-03-2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

I may be folish but all my bets around the juvi will single CQ. I reserve the right to change my mind but this is the way I heading. Great Hunter and Principal Secret ar the only others that I might play in a double or two.

I'm thinking along the same way here, but my other horses in this race are Scat Daddy, Principal Secret and Pegasus Wind.

Revolution · #3 11-03-2006, 09:48 AM

Circular Quay is very beatable. He has been getting bashed all over the place.

Andy Beyer absolutely badmouthed the horse, and while beyer is not great at picking winners, he is usually very good at saying who will not win.

Q: What is your take in the juvenile.. Will CQ be to far back to take it

ANDY_BEYER: I think the relevant question is: Is he good enough to take it? My answer is no. I loathe him. His one good figure, in the Hopeful Stakes, came in a race where he got the absolutely perfect setup as the lone closer in a five-horse field with four other speed horses. I don't put any stockin the Polytrack race, but he was beaten at Keeneland even though Great Hunter ran into significant trouble. I think he's a closing sprinter--and not a particularly great one at that.

lemoncrush · #4 11-03-2006, 10:57 AM

I'm guessing Beyer didn't care to watch any of CQs races, when he made jaw-dropping, push-buttom moves completely out of character for a 2-yo.

And he said his win in the Hopeful was only because he had 4 speed horses?
Well Andy, look at this field.
Stormello, Pegasus Wind, Scat Daddy, Principle Secret, UD Ghetto, King of the Roxy...they are going to be absolutely flying early.
I think the race sets up perfect for him, I love the prep on the polytrack, and I love Gomez on board. If he doesn't finish in the top 2, then I'll have to agree that he may just be a one-turn sprinter, but for now, I'm betting he's the real deal.

Revolution · #5 11-03-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I'm guessing Beyer didn't care to watch any of CQs races, when he made jaw-dropping, push-buttom moves completely out of character for a 2-yo.

And he said his win in the Hopeful was only because he had 4 speed horses?
Well Andy, look at this field.
Stormello, Pegasus Wind, Scat Daddy, Principle Secret, UD Ghetto, King of the Roxy...they are going to be absolutely flying early.
I think the race sets up perfect for him, I love the prep on the polytrack, and I love Gomez on board. If he doesn't finish in the top 2, then I'll have to agree that he may just be a one-turn sprinter, but for now, I'm betting he's the real deal.

Not just beyer. Many aren't impressed with him. His jaw dropping push button moves weren't really that draw dropping. It was more a result of him passing tired horses. People just don't think he is that fast. I think he could win here, but he is no derby horse. Probably will turn out to be like First Samurai and be a nice miler.

lemoncrush · #6 11-03-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Not just beyer. Many aren't impressed with him. His jaw dropping push button moves weren't really that draw dropping. It was more a result of him passing tired horses. People just don't think he is that fast. I think he could win here, but he is no derby horse. Probably will turn out to be like First Samurai and be a nice miler.

The move he made in his 2nd race at Churchill was something to see. He looked totally beat, and then accelerated to the rail and won easy.
I remember seeing Bejarano smiling and shaking his head in the winnner's circle like he couldn't believe what the horse just did.

I haven't been watching Breeders Cup races for as long as many on here, but the Juvy seems to often be won by horses coming off the pace (at least recently with Stevie, Wilko, Action this Day, etc..)
That being said, I'm also using Street Sense, Great Hunter and CP west, who should all be closer to the pace than CQ.

SniperSB23 · #7 11-03-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Circular Quay is very beatable. He has been getting bashed all over the place.

Andy Beyer absolutely badmouthed the horse, and while beyer is not great at picking winners, he is usually very good at saying who will not win.

Q: What is your take in the juvenile.. Will CQ be to far back to take it

ANDY_BEYER: I think the relevant question is: Is he good enough to take it? My answer is no. I loathe him. His one good figure, in the Hopeful Stakes, came in a race where he got the absolutely perfect setup as the lone closer in a five-horse field with four other speed horses. I don't put any stockin the Polytrack race, but he was beaten at Keeneland even though Great Hunter ran into significant trouble. I think he's a closing sprinter--and not a particularly great one at that.

I agree totally with Beyer here.

zippyneedsawin · #8 11-03-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Circular Quay is very beatable. He has been getting bashed all over the place.

Andy Beyer absolutely badmouthed the horse, and while beyer is not great at picking winners, he is usually very good at saying who will not win.

Q: What is your take in the juvenile.. Will CQ be to far back to take it

ANDY_BEYER: I think the relevant question is: Is he good enough to take it? My answer is no. I loathe him. His one good figure, in the Hopeful Stakes, came in a race where he got the absolutely perfect setup as the lone closer in a five-horse field with four other speed horses. I don't put any stockin the Polytrack race, but he was beaten at Keeneland even though Great Hunter ran into significant trouble. I think he's a closing sprinter--and not a particularly great one at that.

Well, that cinches it.. CQ is now a LOCK to win the race!

Revolution · #9 11-03-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Well, that cinches it.. CQ is now a LOCK to win the race!

Pletcher just said on the radio that his best hand is the one he has in the Juvenile. So either Scat Daddy and CQ is probably your winner. I like Scat Daddy here, but I can see CQ at 8.5f, but not at 10f in the spring.

SniperSB23 · #10 11-03-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Pletcher just said on the radio that his best hand is the one he has in the Juvenile. So either Scat Daddy and CQ is probably your winner. I like Scat Daddy here, but I can see CQ at 8.5f, but not at 10f in the spring.

I do like Pletcher's chances in the Juvenile but not with Scat Daddy or Circular Quay. The one who has a big shot for him is King of the Roxy.