Drudge Headline

[Rupert Pupkin]

The headline of the drudgereport right now is "Here Come the Democrats!"

The drudgereport must be a real right-wing republican website to have a headline like that. LOL.

[ArlJim78]

It is.
Let's all welcome our new speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

It is.
Let's all welcome our new speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi.

LOL....YAHOOO!!!!!!!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

It is.
Let's all welcome our new speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi.

where's the puking smiley??

how is speaker decided anyway?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

where's the puking smiley??

how is speaker decided anyway?

yeah a puking smiley would be nice. she grates on me, i can't stand to listen to her.

there is a vote amongst democrats to decide speaker. in this case since she is the current minority leader she'll probably have no trouble at all getting the necessary support. it's probably a foregone conclusion. if there was some controversy surrounding her or discension in the ranks there could be serious challenges, but that doesn't seem to be the case

[SCUDSBROTHER]

There's an outside chance that Repent knocks her off,and then somebody else will get it.

[brianwspencer]

what a night!

i suppose you can only skate by for so many years by making people scared that if you let gays marry, then people will marry their dogs -- that if we don't bomb every country we don't like, that they will bomb us -- and that abortion is the plague of this society.

people woke up and realized that other things matter, like wages and getting by day to day, and being uncorrupt.

hm. what. a. freaking. night.
couldn't have enjoyed it any more!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The headline of the drudgereport right now is "Here Come the Democrats!"

The drudgereport must be a real right-wing republican website to have a headline like that. LOL.

But was "Here Come the Democrats" meant as a good thing? Tee hee. Now, if the headline had read, "Here Come the Democrats-- Awesome!" I'd see your point. In all fairness, though, I read the article linked to the headline and it seemed very much just the facts; I didn't see a right-wing bias at all.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

I think you have totally missed the point...

in what way? if you don't want to have an abortion, then don't get one. simple as that.

sound scientific study generally refutes many of the ideas that the anti-abortion team purports to be true, ie items about fetuses feeling pain etc etc. Their only argument is that life begins at conception -- and since we cannot PROVE that, then keep your hands off it. If they could prove that, then they wouldn't have to lie about things like the pain issue.

So what am I missing?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

in what way? if you don't want to have an abortion, then don't get one. simple as that.

sound scientific study generally refutes many of the ideas that the anti-abortion team purports to be true, ie items about fetuses feeling pain etc etc. Their only argument is that life begins at conception -- and since we cannot PROVE that, then keep your hands off it. If they could prove that, then they wouldn't have to lie about things like the pain issue.

So what am I missing?

Try a film called 'the silent scream'. It shows conclusively that fetuses feel pain. Sound scientific study? Abortion mills generate millions of dollars. Planned Parenthood? Find out the true intentions of Margaret Sanger,founder of PP. A real role model,that one? Sometimes..I wonder why I bother!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Try a film called 'the silent scream'. It shows conclusively that fetuses feel pain. Sound scientific study? Abortion mills generate millions of dollars. Planned Parenthood? Find out the true intentions of Margaret Sanger,founder of PP. A real role model,that one? Sometimes..I wonder why I bother!!

i absolutely cannot believe that you just referred me to one of the most misguided, untrue pieces of anti-abortion propoganda in order to try to stake a claim that a fetus feels pain.

it shows nothing conclusively except that anti-abortion activists will lie and say anything they need to in order to try to sway public opinion.

there is no cerebral cortex at 12 weeks and no way for there to be nerves communicating with the brain, rendering the ability to perceive, or receive pain impulses unequivically impossible. this slight oversight on the part of the producers also dispels their myth that the fetus is frantically "trying to get away" because it cannot cognizantly recognize anything at this stage, so these movements are all reflexive due to the entrance of the tools into the uterus.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

i absolutely cannot believe that you just referred me to one of the most misguided, untrue pieces of anti-abortion propoganda in order to try to stake a claim that a fetus feels pain.

it shows nothing conclusively except that anti-abortion activists will lie and say anything they need to in order to try to sway public opinion.

there is no cerebral cortex at 12 weeks and no way for there to be nerves communicating with the brain, rendering the ability to perceive, or receive pain impulses unequivically impossible. this slight oversight on the part of the producers also dispels their myth that the fetus is frantically "trying to get away" because it cannot cognizantly recognize anything at this stage, so these movements are all reflexive due to the entrance of the tools into the uterus.

OK,Sheep! You have to live with your answers. Frankly,I don't think you have a clue!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

OK,Sheep! You have to live with your answers. Frankly,I don't think you have a clue!

how am i "sheep" when i am not just taking what is thrown in front of me as the truth? instead i am questioning all of the false claims made in the movie.

that film is very widely regarded as nothing but utter propoganda, and any research into the claims made in the film would expose it as such -- as i so kindly did for you in the last post i just made.

you can pretend that the science doesn't support the things i just wrote, but i would contend then that you'd be the sheep -- just hanging with the flock and pretending that things are true, just so you can feel better about the stance you take.

have fun with that one. facts and research always trump propoganda -- at least to intelligent people.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Are you saying that there are human beings walking this planet that never went through the zygote stage of development?

Also, answer me this (yes or no): would you say that life may start at conception, we just can't be sure?

A fetus doesn't feel pain? Uhm...a fetus is a term referring to a stage of development and is specific to the stage from 8 weeks until birth. You might want to check your facts on that one...although, the pain argument is tangential to the crux of the matter (imho, at least, so let's put that to the side as it doesn't matter to me one way or the either).

But we can all agree condoms are a good thing, from a contraceptive and disease prevention standpoint, yes? Wrap your meat so it stays fresh!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Yes, I agree.

BTW Genuine Risk is one of my all-time favorite horses. I would really like a big picture and/or poster of her.

i have a tony leonard 'portrait' of her. she's gorgeous, always a fave of mine.

[Downthestretch55]

Bababoo,
I'l just chime in with two pennies worth in response to this question that you posed:
"Also, answer me this (yes or no): would you say that life may start at conception, we just can't be sure?"

It's really not a "yes" or a "no".
My observation has been that life continues. Where it starts is for you to find.
Now, if the thinking is in reference to the stage 16 mitosis embryos that are sitting in liquid nitrogen waiting for their viability to expire before they are disposed of as "medical waste", my opinion is that the use of the "embryonic stem calls" they contain be used to expand existing cell lines, and hopefully fine a purpose better than being discarded. Maybe some remedies for devastating diseases will be found.
And, please, don't bring the fear of "cloning" into the discussion.
DTS

[skippy3481]

Brian are you saying as a "very serious" christian that we "basically evolved from monkeys?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Brian are you saying as a "very serious" christian that we "basically evolved from monkeys?

Skippy,
I'll let Brian answer your question.
My understanding is that it had a whole lot to do with blue-green algae that existed for over 2 billion years before other life forms evolved.
I have to check the pre-cambrian fossils and get back to you.

[skippy3481]

Dts, as a christian i disagree. I think God created the universe and earth and people. But lets not debate about that. We are going to disagree and neither one of us is going to budge. My problem comes when a self-titled "serious christian" says we basically evolved from monkeys. As a christian you either believe in all the bible or none of it. You can't pick and choose what you want to believe in it. Either its all god inspired and god breathed or its just a nice collection of stories.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Brian are you saying as a "very serious" christian that we "basically evolved from monkeys?

absolutely. Christianity is not as simple as many want it to be. It is not as black and white as many want it to be.

It does not mean that you have to act ignorantly and pretend that things which are sound science are not true. Being a Christian does not mean that you have to be unrealistic, unintelligent, and unwilling to question things.

You can read whatever you want into my statement that I am a serious Christian. I take my faith and my relationship with God very seriously and I do my best by Him at all times. I may not be your version of a Christian, but I am a Christian all the same. Your reading of my faith is irrelevant.