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Old 11-15-2006, 08:52 PM
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Anyone know where I can get Ghostzapper charts or stats?

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Old 11-15-2006, 11:57 PM
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Anyone know where I can get Ghostzapper charts or stats?

Thanks, Leo
Brisnet.com will have them. Check out Pedigrees and Lifetime Starts. They won't have the Beyer figs but what's the use of the Beyer figs anyway?
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:48 AM
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Met Mile
BC Classic
Woodward
Iselin
Vosburgh
Kings Bishop

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Sorry I couldnt find more...
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:56 AM
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thanks for putting that up.
geez he left a few in his wake didn't he?
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Old 11-16-2006, 06:57 AM
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Great...thanks. I saw an ad last week touting his diverse wins. I can't remember the difference in distances (thats why I'm looking for these) but didnt he win at 6 1/2, 7 1/2 and 1 1/4 and so on ?
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Old 11-16-2006, 07:59 AM
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it is still fun to look at numbers like that sometimes.
in his last 5 races he had 4 beyer figs that exceeded 120. the one race where he didn't he only ran a 114 and beat future hoy saint liam.
not a bad string of races to end a career.
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:48 AM
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Brilliant career but his races are so spaced apart that it is impossible to consider him a great horse. He raced at 2, 3, 4 and 5 and had a total of 11 career races. I doubt he would have been able to race as quickly if he raced more than 1x every 4 months. Who is to say other top horses couldn't have done the same if they raced so infrequently.

People like to make him out to be Dr. Fager who could win at any distance, but Dr. Fager could win at any distance and do it regularly. He did not need months off between each start.
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Old 11-16-2006, 10:02 AM
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it is still fun to look at numbers like that sometimes.
in his last 5 races he had 4 beyer figs that exceeded 120. the one race where he didn't he only ran a 114 and beat future hoy saint liam.
not a bad string of races to end a career.
The 114 was a BS number anyways. they dropped it about 6-7 points because they weren't convinced SL was "worthy" of a higher number.
He actually ran closer to a 121.
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:58 AM
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Great...thanks. I saw an ad last week touting his diverse wins. I can't remember the difference in distances (thats why I'm looking for these) but didnt he win at 6 1/2, 7 1/2 and 1 1/4 and so on ?
Vosburgh-G1: 6.5F
Tom Fool-G2: 7F
Met Mile-G1: 8F
Iselin-G3: 9F
Woodward-G1: 9F
BC Classic-G1: 10F
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Old 11-16-2006, 09:14 AM
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Vosburgh-G1: 6.5F
Tom Fool-G2: 7F
Met Mile-G1: 8F
Iselin-G3: 9F
Woodward-G1: 9F
BC Classic-G1: 10F
Ghostzapper is a horse who easily could have been undefeated.
His two losses had very legitimate and valid excuses.
Back on our old board at ESPN I wrote a post after his debut in which I proclaimed him to be the next coming.
In his 2nd start he was injured, jammed up a foot, which necessitated his layoff.
In his Kings Bishop loss the track bias was a as crazy powerful towards inside speed as any you will ever see. It the was the kinda bias where even real novices were aware of it early in the card.
He rallied so powerfully against it that you just knew what he was gonna do afterwards.
His Vosburgh was something to watch, boy was that some race.
Though his 4 year old campaign was short in terms of number of races, it was even better in hindsight than it was appreciated for at the time. I myself was worried and not convinced he could go a mile and a quarter after his hard fought Woodward. What we didn't know at the time was that St Liam had turned the corner into a special racehorse during his long layoff that preceeded the Woodward. His BCC win over Roses In May was incredible. he missed going in 1:58:4 by a few hundredths of a second, or by the increased wind resistance of Javier standing up and pumping his fist back and forth down the lane.
His Met Mile may have been his best race though, just an incredible display of sheer power and speed off that long layoff, wow.
Its gonna be hard to see another one as special as him anytime soon.
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:13 AM
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Granted, he might not have been the most sound horse -- but on his day he could have challenged anybody in the history of the sport. Dr. Fager might have beaten him at a mile but GZ wouldn't have been that far behind. And that's saying a lot.

Ghostzapper was maybe not "great" based on his paucity of races but he was certainly "very special" in terms of pure unadulterated speed. And that was speed at any distance. Carrying weight too.

He and Candy Ride were two of the fastest horses we have seen in a long time.
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:15 AM
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He and Candy Ride were two of the fastest horses we have seen in a long time.

Don't forget Jazil.
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:18 AM
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Don't forget Jazil.
is it "JAZZil" or "jaZEEEEL!" ??
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:21 AM
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Revolution -

Weren't you the one at the top of the thread giving GZ the business about a short career, and now you are taking Candy Ride over him. I don't get the logic?
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:22 AM
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Revolution -

Weren't you the one at the top of the thread giving GZ the business about a short career, and now you are taking Candy Ride over him. I don't get the logic?
He doesn't believe in using logic in arguments. Its counter to his principles.
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:03 PM
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is it "JAZZil" or "jaZEEEEL!" ??
It's actuallly pronounced "winner" or "Belmont winner".
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:08 PM
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is it "JAZZil" or "jaZEEEEL!" ??
Neither. It is pronounced Jazz-ul

It means abundance in arabic.
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:10 PM
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Candy Ride = Lava Man
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Old 11-16-2006, 12:15 PM
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Neither. It is pronounced Jazz-ul

It means abundance in arabic.
That was a joke in reference to Durkin's exclamation at the wire of the Wood, in which he screamed "jaZEEEEL!"

Sorry if you didn't catch it.
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Don't forget Jazil.
Meanie.
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