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Old 11-24-2006, 02:19 PM
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Ok, so who was the best horse to race in the United States in 2006? I'm not asking who would get your vote for HOY. Many of u have certain standards that u want to see met in order for a horse to be HOY (ie wins in certain races, money earned, number of starts, etc). I understand and respect all of those opinions. But I was just thinking about what the Eclipse Awards actually state as their criteria and all it says is that u have to have at least one North American start to qualify. That's why we've seen so many European winners win our turf championships off of only one start here. It's why Arazi was one of the three finalists for HOY in 1991 off of only the Juvenile win here. So in that vein, I'd like to know simply what horse people think was the best horse to race in this country this year. Last year was an easy one as Ghostzapper was the clearly the best one even though he only ran once. Who is it this year? My vote goes to Discreet Cat.
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Old 11-24-2006, 02:32 PM
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I would stick with Invasor. I like seeing horses run successfully at a classic distance. He's been remarkably consistent. Discreet Cat would be a close second for me. He may be the better horse in terms of overall talent (which we'll begin to find out soon here), but in terms of being the "best" I think you have to beat the best of the rest to be truly be the best in any year.

Honnorable mention for best show put on by any horse all year? Without a doubt Gorella. I don't think she's the "best" horse this year -- but she is sure as hell the most entertaining to watch!
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Old 11-24-2006, 02:40 PM
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Invasor although I'll give small consideration to changing my vote if Discreet Cat is amazing on Saturday.
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Old 11-24-2006, 06:20 PM
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Old 11-24-2006, 07:27 PM
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I'm going to stick with the undefeated Barbaro. His Florida and Kentucky Derby races are awfully tough to beat.
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Old 11-24-2006, 07:34 PM
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INVASOR

Because he was 4 for 4 against top notch quality horses in the United States

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Old 11-25-2006, 03:16 AM
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I'm going to stick with the undefeated Barbaro. His Florida and Kentucky Derby races are awfully tough to beat.
LOL. The Florida Derby. LOL.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:56 AM
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I'm going to stick with the undefeated Barbaro. His Florida and Kentucky Derby races are awfully tough to beat.

Hate to be pernickety, but Barbaro wasn't undefeated.


Worldwide, given their conditions, it's very difficult to split Bernardini, George Washington and Rail Link.

In terms of pure form all three are a mite above the likes of Deep Impact, Barbaro, Invasor and Discreet Cat, for all that the second named may well have proved capable of better and the last 2-named may well still do so.
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:18 PM
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Invasor is no lightning bolt -- his times are relatively slow for an older horse. Discreet Cat is the sprinter's version of Bernardini -- he's beaten nobody.

Barbaro could beat either. Any distance. Any surface. Any condition.
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:37 PM
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Discreet Cat with another smashing victory tomorrow. Barbaro would be my 2nd chioce
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:48 PM
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Discreet Cat with another smashing victory tomorrow. Barbaro would be my 2nd chioce
Against who? Sharp Humor iffy off a long layoff, bone chip injury, and one halfway respectable start back? That's the measure of greatness? Or Silver Train? Spotty to say the least. Abysmal last start.

Against how many? 4 others?

Discreet Cat doesn't break 1:34 and possibly even 1:35 tomorrow. Nothing special. Yet Beyer gives him a 118 or so speed figure. Same old story.

Why run Discreet Cat in the Breeders Cup when you can clean up easy money in overrated races like the Cigar? In the BC the truth might have been revealed.
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Old 11-25-2006, 12:17 AM
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Against who? Sharp Humor iffy off a long layoff, bone chip injury, and one halfway respectable start back? That's the measure of greatness? Or Silver Train? Spotty to say the least. Abysmal last start.

Against how many? 4 others?

Discreet Cat doesn't break 1:34 and possibly even 1:35 tomorrow. Nothing special. Yet Beyer gives him a 118 or so speed figure. Same old story.

Why run Discreet Cat in the Breeders Cup when you can clean up easy money in overrated races like the Cigar? In the BC the truth might have been revealed.
We shall see...that's why they run the races
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Old 11-25-2006, 02:06 AM
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Im not sure DCat can do any more tomorrow to win the award.
hes going to romp easy and ppl will again ask why he has not faced more.
you either believe he is a freak now or are going to have to wait until next year.

the best horse of the year?
well,
HOY has to go to Invasor.
more than deserving.
but then again, look what DCat did to him in March.

interesting though, the best horse to run in this country after those 2 has to be Hurricane Run.
he ran horrible in his only US start and really was out of form by the Fall.
but if you want to know who was the best turf horse that stepped foot on US soil this year, thats it.


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Old 11-25-2006, 03:58 PM
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Discreet Cat doesn't break 1:34 and possibly even 1:35 tomorrow. Nothing special. Yet Beyer gives him a 118 or so speed figure. Same old story.
OOPS!!! I think he broke 1:35..
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Old 11-25-2006, 04:06 PM
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If I replied to this yesterday it would have been Invasor...

But it's all DISCREET CAT now...
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Old 11-25-2006, 07:45 AM
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Invasor is no lightning bolt -- his times are relatively slow for an older horse. Discreet Cat is the sprinter's version of Bernardini -- he's beaten nobody.

Barbaro could beat either. Any distance. Any surface. Any condition.
Except Invasor is really NOT an older horse.. He's a Southern Hemisphere 3 year old, less than six months 'older' than our sophomores. When you win races like the PIM Special, Suburban, Whitney and BC Classic, you're the best horse, and Horse of the Year... Period.

Discreet Cat? The Jerome and Cigar Mile won't cut it as a HOY resume. And please don't drag out the ridiculous "UAE Derby". There aren't too many people that would count anything that transpires at Nad al Sheba as a legitimate result towards determining anything. (Ian Jory's two horses were likely drugged up by someone for gods sake... He's got the test results to prove it. And then there's the horrific treatment Buff Bradley and Brass Hat received as further evidence of the phony shenanigans that go on in the 'Desert Oasis'...)

Barbaro is Barbaro. It's difficult to quantify his half season in the context of those that ran complete seasons, but he wasn't the 'best' horse of 2006. Everyone is so quick to attack Bernardini's opponent list, but other than the great Derby performance, which itself is quantity over quality, who exactly was Barbaro beating in the Tropical Park Derby (Wise River 2nd, Lewis Michael 3rd); Holy Bull (Great Point 2nd, My Golden Song 3rd); and FL Derby (Sharp Humor 2nd, Sunriver 3rd)??? The also rans behind him in the three pre-Derby races were hardly frightening groups..

So that leaves a wonderful Derby performance as Barbaro's great accomplishment of the year. Fine. But it hardly makes him the 'best' horse of the year when there's a candidate that won 4 straight Grade I races that are among the most important of any racing year. And as a reminder of the initial point, Invasor has been facing elders from May onward. I can appreciate the adoration of Barbaro as much as anyone, but in these discussions, he simply doesn't qualify from a body of work basis.
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Old 11-25-2006, 08:50 AM
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i answered the question, which was who you thought was the best, not who was HOY. invasor obviously deserves the award.
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Old 11-25-2006, 10:25 AM
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Ouija Board was the best horse to win in the US this year. Invasor had the best season, and will be a deserving HOY, but OB is a future "Hall of Fame" mare and was a bad trip in 2005 from winning 3 straight BC races. Add her globetrotting resume in open company and you have one of the best in recent memory.
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Invasor!! although I would side with Bernardini in a rematch at 10f 12f
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