Jimmuh,you did us wrong!

timmgirvan · #1 12-16-2006, 11:00 PM

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=25994 There are many misconceptions about the Israeli and Palestine lands. In this article, the facts are there for you to see...as well as the peanut farmers total bias against the Jewish Nation. The history of this struggle is detailed in this article. Please give a moment to read.

dalakhani · #2 12-17-2006, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=25994 There are many misconceptions about the Israeli and Palestine lands. In this article, the facts are there for you to see...as well as the peanut farmers total bias against the Jewish Nation. The history of this struggle is detailed in this article. Please give a moment to read.

LOL

For all of the grief that DTS gets for posting stuff from commondreams.com, I find it incredibly humorous that we are supposed to accept what is in this cyber propoganda rag as "fact".

lets consider the source.

No disrespect to you timmi but that article is far from fair and the "facts" are highly debatable starting with the "who was there first" part.

timmgirvan · #3 12-17-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL

For all of the grief that DTS gets for posting stuff from commondreams.com, I find it incredibly humorous that we are supposed to accept what is in this cyber propoganda rag as "fact".

lets consider the source.

No disrespect to you timmi but that article is far from fair and the "facts" are highly debatable starting with the "who was there first" part.

so...where do you get the facts? btw...that was the first time I've been to the site! I wasnt looking for propaganda to give you

Rupert Pupkin · #4 12-17-2006, 02:35 AM

Jimmy Carter has said much worse stuff than that. You should have heard some of the stuff he said the other day. He was saying that the Israelis are doing such terrible things to the Palestinians, yet he never said a word about the things that the Palestinians have been doing. There was no mentin of the suicide bombings or anything like that. I would have no problem if he talked about what he considered to be wrongs committed by both sides, but for him to blame the whole thing on the Israelis is mind-boggling.

It's amazing how he criticizes the Israelis for having checkpoints and this type of thing. How else does he expect them to keep the suicide-bombers out?

With regard to the author of the article, he is an interesting guy. His name is David Horowitz. At one time, he was an extreme liberal. He was a real radical back in the 1960s. But as he got older, he moved way to the right. Now he is very conservative.

SentToStud · #5 12-17-2006, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Jimmy Carter has said much worse stuff than that. You should have heard some of the stuff he said the other day. He was saying that the Israelis are doing such terrible things to the Palestinians, yet he never said a word about the things that the Palestinians have been doing. There was no mentin of the suicide bombings or anything like that. I would have no problem if he talked about what he considered to be wrongs committed by both sides, but for him to blame the whole thing on the Israelis is mind-boggling.

It's amazing how he criticizes the Israelis for having checkpoints and this type of thing. How else does he expect them to keep the suicide-bombers out?

With regard to the author of the article, he is an interesting guy. His name is David Horowitz. At one time, he was an extreme liberal. He was a real radical back in the 1960s. But as he got older, he moved way to the right. Now he is very conservative.

I don't know which interview you are referring to when you say Carter, "never said a word about the things that the Palestinians have been doing," but I've read his book and he's highly critical of Palestinian factions working against peace.

But that is not his focus. His focus, as you know, is to bring to light in America a viewpoint other than the one we tend to traditionally see in the mainstream American press.

Carter's views are not unique. They're just not popular in the U.S.. I've taken time to read the Horowitz article. I've also read several other reviews of Carter's new book, both domestic and international. I will say is that Carter's views seem far more popular outside the U.S. than within.

Carter's written nearly 20 books and is a Nobel Peace Prize winner. Yet, he's been attacked by many in the U.S. for writing what's been labeled as tratorious or anti-semetic materials. I don't think that's what he's done and I think his viewpoints are valuable.

dalakhani · #6 12-17-2006, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

so...where do you get the facts? btw...that was the first time I've been to the site! I wasnt looking for propaganda to give you

I guess, Tim, the "facts" are going to be skewed toward which ever side one supports.

I think Carter was basically trying to give a voice that is seldom heard in this country. The plight of the Palestinian people is rarely broadcast. They ARE oppressed and anyone looking at the situation fairly would surely agree.

Now, does that mean the Israeli government is completely wrong in some of the measures they have taken? Absolutely not. The Palestinians themselves can shoulder a lot of the blame for whats going on there right now. At the same time, the other Arab countries in the region as well as the US has to take some of the blame also.

Remember, the propaganda machine that reports in the region. Remember also how much is censored by the US and Israeli governments respectively. We hear about he car bombings in Tel Aviv but how much do we hear about the killings of innocent Palestinians in the west bank?

timmgirvan · #7 12-17-2006, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

I guess, Tim, the "facts" are going to be skewed toward which ever side one supports.

I think Carter was basically trying to give a voice that is seldom heard in this country. The plight of the Palestinian people is rarely broadcast. They ARE oppressed and anyone looking at the situation fairly would surely agree.

Now, does that mean the Israeli government is completely wrong in some of the measures they have taken? Absolutely not. The Palestinians themselves can shoulder a lot of the blame for whats going on there right now. At the same time, the other Arab countries in the region as well as the US has to take some of the blame also.

Remember, the propaganda machine that reports in the region. Remember also how much is censored by the US and Israeli governments respectively. We hear about he car bombings in Tel Aviv but how much do we hear about the killings of innocent Palestinians in the west bank?

Dala: you must not follow CNN much,or msnbc, they're always bringing the plight of the Palestinian people to us. What is unfair is the countries surrounding Israel have sworn to exterminate them, and the Arab world cared not for the Palestinians,but squandered Billions of US dollars/aid and lined their own coffers from this chaos!

Downthestretch55 · #8 12-17-2006, 11:32 AM

Timm,
I saw my name mentioned above. So, I'll just say my "piece" (peace).
Carter is free to say whatever he wants. He has negotiated some difficult resolutions, monitored elections, and done his best to call attention to a sane approach to inhabiting the planet.
Do you think that taking chainsaws to olive groves that have been in Palastinian families for generations will bring resolution? A bigger fence? Bull dozers taking down homes for "settlements"?
Dare anyone speak against the actions of these people at the risk of being labeled "anti-semetic"?
This article is NOT from "common dreams". It was written by a Jew.
Maybe it will make sense, as it seems to me that not much does lately.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=18801.

Shalom,
DTS