Good Lord another pletcher freak

#1 06-15-2006, 01:53 PM

Geez, I just cant believe it. Pletcher has the best 4 two yeard olds I have seen so far this year. Check out Quay in the 2nd at CD. You won't believe it.

#2 06-15-2006, 01:58 PM

Who are the best looking two year olds (pletcher or otherwise) you have seen so far this year? I've been slacking off on my two year old watch so far....

#3 06-15-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaxen Mane

Who are the best looking two year olds (pletcher or otherwise) you have seen so far this year? I've been slacking off on my two year old watch so far....

1) Quay, I know the bran supposedly says scat Daddy is the best, but you have to look at the way this horse took off after he finally switched leads very late in the race and waht he went the last 3/16th's in. Absolutely terrifying and with that pedigree hes gonna go as far as they want.
2) Scat Daddy toyed with his small field in his debut.
3) Minefield was incredibly good in his debut.
4) Out Of Gwenda ran an incredible number in his debut.

All are trained by Pletcher. I havent seen anyone else who I would take at 20-1 odds against any of these. unbelievable.

#4 06-15-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Geez, I just cant believe it. Pletcher has the best 4 two yeard olds I have seen so far this year. Check out Quay in the 2nd at CD. You won't believe it.

last 1/16th in 6 flat and last 3/16 in less than 17 or thereabouts. WIth that pedigree(Thunder Gulch) the sky is the limit on distance. So thats Minefield, Out of Gwenda, Scat Daddy and now this one. Hes got every stakes race for 2yo's this summer on teh East Coast locked up already. Tyro, sapling, the three at the Spa, put his name on the trophies now and save time, then all you have to do si fill in the horses name. This is an embarrassment of riches.

#5 06-15-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

last 1/16th in 6 flat and last 3/16 in less than 17 or thereabouts. WIth that pedigree(Thunder Gulch) the sky is the limit on distance. So thats Minefield, Out of Gwenda, Scat Daddy and now this one. Hes got every stakes race for 2yo's this summer on teh East Coast locked up already. Tyro, sapling, the three at the Spa, put his name on the trophies now and save time, then all you have to do si fill in the horses name. This is an embarrassment of riches.

Let's see how Asmussens turn out. You also have east coast tunnel vision.

#6 06-15-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Let's see how Asmussens turn out. You also have east coast tunnel vision.

Lemme tell you what, I'll put my vision up gansit anyone's. You call ragozin and ask him what the top 4 figs are for 2Yo's this year, and i gurantee its these 4 horses. They are all incredible. The one today was frightening. Thats the kind of debut that gets people plotting a derby course in June of his 2yo year. Thast how good he was. WHy don't you watch teh replay and crunch the numbers and get back to me on that one with a mea culpa.

#7 06-15-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Lemme tell you what, I'll put my vision up gansit anyone's. You call ragozin and ask him what the top 4 figs are for 2Yo's this year, and i gurantee its these 4 horses. They are all incredible. The one today was frightening. Thats the kind of debut that gets people plotting a derby course in June of his 2yo year. Thast how good he was. WHy don't you watch teh replay and crunch the numbers and get back to me on that one with a mea culpa.

It is June. How many times did Bernardini race before last June? Who cares what happens until October at the earliest. If you are talking KY Derby in June of the 2yr old year, you have zero credibility.

Pointg5 · #8 06-15-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

It is June. How many times did Bernardini race before last June? Who cares what happens until October at the earliest. If you are talking KY Derby in June of the 2yr old year, you have zero credibility.

One thing I'll say about Pletcher, he can keep them going and winning stakes into their 3yo or 4yo years. More Than Ready won very early at 2 and won stakes at 3, Limehouse won at 2 and was winning stakes at 4. If anyone keeps them going, it's Pletcher.

ArlJim78 · #9 06-15-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

It is June. How many times did Bernardini race before last June? Who cares what happens until October at the earliest. If you are talking KY Derby in June of the 2yr old year, you have zero credibility.

Are you going to tell me that if you're the owner or trainer of a horse that debuts in June in such convincing fashion as this one, that you will not even let the idea of the KD enter your mind until October? Believe me they're dreaming about it so there's no harm in speculating.

miraja2 · #10 06-15-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

It is June. How many times did Bernardini race before last June? Who cares what happens until October at the earliest. If you are talking KY Derby in June of the 2yr old year, you have zero credibility.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone WAS talking about the KY Derby. Oracle was talking about how these horses were going to do in the 2yo stakes races, not how they would do at 3.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #11 06-15-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

It is June. How many times did Bernardini race before last June? Who cares what happens until October at the earliest. If you are talking KY Derby in June of the 2yr old year, you have zero credibility.

Some of us like to pick out good talented two year olds, and see how they fair there three year old season. It is a game. I like picking out the best horses before they actually become the best horses. By the way, the Sanford Stakes is next month.

A horse named Afleet Alex won the Sanford a few years ago, and look how he turned out.

Togacapper · #12 06-15-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Lemme tell you what, I'll put my vision up gansit anyone's. You call ragozin and ask him what the top 4 figs are for 2Yo's this year, and i gurantee its these 4 horses. They are all incredible. The one today was frightening. Thats the kind of debut that gets people plotting a derby course in June of his 2yo year. Thast how good he was. WHy don't you watch teh replay and crunch the numbers and get back to me on that one with a mea culpa.

Oracle your classic dude..Good post

SentToStud · #13 06-16-2006, 08:50 AM

Many of the people on this post deriding this colt's effort as well as generalizing that early 2yo sprints are simply just speedfests obviously did not see the race. Coming into the race off just two very modest reported works, this colt broke last and really just loped his way to within 2-3 lengths of the leaders at the 1/4 pole. When the straightend out and he changed leads, he ran tremendously quick for about 1/8 of a mile. Beajarano had him wrapped up the final 100-150 yards and he still finished up in very quick timeHe was obviously ready to run and run well. Whether or not he makes noise next spring is really not important, at least to me, since so many things can happen between now and then. I also think that Pletcher is probably a very good judge of what's best for his horse and I cannot imagine he'd run this colt -- or any horse for that matter -- too soon or too often. I just really enjoyed seeing an obviously talented 2yo win off so impressively easy and look forward to seeing him again against tougher competition.

Betsy · #14 06-15-2006, 02:05 PM

It's way too early to say that Pletcher has all the East Coast juvenile races locked up - the best bred ones haven't even run yet and may not for another couple of months. Who is Minefield?

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LARHAGE · #15 06-15-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

It's way too early to say that Pletcher has all the East Coast juvenile races locked up - the best bred ones haven't even run yet and may not for another couple of months. Who is Minefield?

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Exactly, and his juice has a tendency to have a short shelf-life.

SentToStud · #16 06-15-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

last 1/16th in 6 flat and last 3/16 in less than 17 or thereabouts. WIth that pedigree(Thunder Gulch) the sky is the limit on distance. So thats Minefield, Out of Gwenda, Scat Daddy and now this one. Hes got every stakes race for 2yo's this summer on teh East Coast locked up already. Tyro, sapling, the three at the Spa, put his name on the trophies now and save time, then all you have to do si fill in the horses name. This is an embarrassment of riches.

Very, very impressive. At most, it was a mild drive. Straight as an arrow down the lane.

#17 06-15-2006, 02:09 PM

did someone say..

can you catch the green monkey ?

Gander · #18 06-15-2006, 02:16 PM

Maybe one of these guys or girls will end his 0 for 51 in triple crown races come May 2007. Hes overdue. Ahhh, all the 3/5 shots will be blooming at Saratoga in 5 weeks.

#19 06-15-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Maybe one of these guys or girls will end his 0 for 51 in triple crown races come May 2007. Hes overdue. Ahhh, all the 3/5 shots will be blooming at Saratoga in 5 weeks.

Tim Scav gave bad info, its 0-23. Not 51.

#20 06-15-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Maybe one of these guys or girls will end his 0 for 51 in triple crown races come May 2007. Hes overdue. Ahhh, all the 3/5 shots will be blooming at Saratoga in 5 weeks.

How people bet on 3/5 shot two year olds is a question I still haven't figured out.