Uh Oh

[Downthestretch55]

Here we go. I'm not worried. I'm fixin' to be raptured.
Here, all the while I was questioning my sanity.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...535310,00.html

My guess is that Jack Van Empe has been right all the while. Revelation coming. Glory be! Finally Armeggedon!
Who ever said it wasn't worth waiting for?

[Danzig]

who is jack van empe?


now, i've been on this earth close to 40 years. much of that time, as long as i've been able to read newspapers, seems there's always been someone threatening the end of the world.
been going on for centuries, and hopefully will continue for long after i've gone...
good vs evil. it will never end, nor will the 'end is nigh'.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

who is jack van empe?

He is a lunatic televangelist who has predicted the end of the
world a couple of different times. Which you realized hasn't
happen. He is a complete spazz in my eyes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by saucon17

He is a lunatic televangelist who has predicted the end of the
world a couple of different times. Which you realized hasn't
happen. He is a complete spazz in my eyes.

no wonder i didn't recognize the name, televangelists not on my list of people to pay attention to.

it's amazing, the more history i read, the more people who were the antichrist, and amount of times the end of the world was at hand is astounding.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here we go. I'm not worried. I'm fixin' to be raptured.
Here, all the while I was questioning my sanity.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...535310,00.html

My guess is that Jack Van Empe has been right all the while. Revelation coming. Glory be! Finally Armeggedon!
Who ever said it wasn't worth waiting for?

Folks worry me still....lol!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here we go. I'm not worried. I'm fixin' to be raptured.
Here, all the while I was questioning my sanity.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...535310,00.html

My guess is that Jack Van Empe has been right all the while. Revelation coming. Glory be! Finally Armeggedon!
Who ever said it wasn't worth waiting for?

dts-altho israel is our ally...i'm always disturbed that a huge part of our foreign policy is predicated on the belief that israel is the promised land, and that everyone believes the fall of that country signifies the end of the world.
such LOGIC behind that thinking.

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16509109/

[Downthestretch55]

Danzig,
Jack Van Impe is a prophet to many. He frequently shows that revealed truth in the book of Revelation is happening in our times.
Some people think he's crazy.
I'm guessing that "sanity" is a subjective decision, so make your own.
Now, regarding Israel, thankfully, Tehran has responded.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

May the clear thinking continue. Amen.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
Jack Van Impe is a prophet to many. He frequently shows that revealed truth in the book of Revelation is happening in our times.
Some people think he's crazy.
I'm guessing that "sanity" is a subjective decision, so make your own.
Now, regarding Israel, thankfully, Tehran has responded.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

May the clear thinking continue. Amen.

Jack Van Impe sounds a lot like Jack Van Berg

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jack Van Impe sounds a lot like Jack Van Berg

Cannon,
I don't know much about Jack Van Berg.
Here's Jack Van Impe's site.
http://www.jvim.com/
Click "Global News" and you'll see that he really is paying attention.
Rexalla is very nice too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Cannon,
I don't know much about Jack Van Berg.
Here's Jack Van Impe's site.
http://www.jvim.com/
Click "Global News" and you'll see that he really is paying attention.
Rexalla is very nice too.

You'll like Jack Van Berg better

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here we go. I'm not worried. I'm fixin' to be raptured.
Here, all the while I was questioning my sanity.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...535310,00.html

My guess is that Jack Van Empe has been right all the while. Revelation coming. Glory be! Finally Armeggedon!
Who ever said it wasn't worth waiting for?

Wayne....the fact that you post a link from that website is mindboggling. The Sunday Times is yellow journalism at its worse.

Perhaps the National Inquirer next time?

[GenuineRisk]

Speaking of other folk looking towards the rapture, here's a really interesting interview with a guy who wrote a book on the Religious Right's political ambitions:

http://salon.com/books/feature/2007/01/08/fascism/

The book, from what I can tell, is highly critical of the movement's leaders, but not the rank-and-file. Still makes me very nervous. What are your guys' thoughts?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Speaking of other folk looking towards the rapture, here's a really interesting interview with a guy who wrote a book on the Religious Right's political ambitions:

http://salon.com/books/feature/2007/01/08/fascism/

The book, from what I can tell, is highly critical of the movement's leaders, but not the rank-and-file. Still makes me very nervous. What are your guys' thoughts?

"[T]he heart of the Christian religion, all that is good and compassionate within it, has been tossed aside, ruthlessly gouged out and thrown into a heap with all the other inner organs. Only the shell, the form, remains.

Truer words have never been spoken...

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by T3B

"[T]he heart of the Christian religion, all that is good and compassionate within it, has been tossed aside, ruthlessly gouged out and thrown into a heap with all the other inner organs. Only the shell, the form, remains.

Truer words have never been spoken...

And this is why you're the bee's knees, Kev.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And this is why you're the bee's knees, Kev.

Bees have knees???

anyways...love the way he ends the interview..

"I wouldn't describe myself as particularly pious but I certainly would describe myself as religious. And when I see how these people are manipulating the Christian religion for personal empowerment and wealth and for the destruction of the very values that I think are embodied in the teachings of Jesus Christ, I'm angry."

[Downthestretch55]

Interesting article Genuine Risk.
I'll say that I believe in the teachings of Jesus.
I wish those that corrupt his words to serve their own purposes would listen to Him rather than "spin".
DTS

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Speaking of other folk looking towards the rapture, here's a really interesting interview with a guy who wrote a book on the Religious Right's political ambitions:

http://salon.com/books/feature/2007/01/08/fascism/

The book, from what I can tell, is highly critical of the movement's leaders, but not the rank-and-file. Still makes me very nervous. What are your guys' thoughts?

thanks for posting that link, i just finished reading it. might have to buy that book and read more from that guy.

[timmgirvan]

We're having a takeover by the Chistian Right?? Judging by the mid-term elections...I'd say it's not likely soon! There is SO much wrong with this story! Another hit piece on those dastardly Christians! FYI..the Dominion people have it skewed in many ways..principally that one can order God to keep true to His promises to the delight of the righteous!...That AIN'T how it works! There are charlatans in every line of work...funny how preachers and polititians come so readily to mind. I can't count the number of factions in the Christian faith...but getting them all together reminds me of the story about 'herding cats'. The writer is pretty mixed up to me. Accomplished as a reporter,but his tying regimes such as Hitler and Mussolini to the Christian movement is ludicrous at best....unless you're looking for some reason not to check out your reason for being on this planet! I don't support the Faith movement as such, nor the Name it/claim it clan or Benny Hinn and his voodoo! This writer went to Harvard Divinity School....In my 'neck of the woods' we call seminaries "cemetary's" because they usually kill your faith! Hopefully, most of you won't swallow this man's brew!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

We're having a takeover by the Chistian Right?? Judging by the mid-term elections...I'd say it's not likely soon! There is SO much wrong with this story! Another hit piece on those dastardly Christians! FYI..the Dominion people have it skewed in many ways..principally that one can order God to keep true to His promises to the delight of the righteous!...That AIN'T how it works! There are charlatans in every line of work...funny how preachers and polititians come so readily to mind. I can't count the number of factions in the Christian faith...but getting them all together reminds me of the story about 'herding cats'. The writer is pretty mixed up to me. Accomplished as a reporter,but his tying regimes such as Hitler and Mussolini to the Christian movement is ludicrous at best....unless you're looking for some reason not to check out your reason for being on this planet! I don't support the Faith movement as such, nor the Name it/claim it clan or Benny Hinn and his voodoo! This writer went to Harvard Divinity School....In my 'neck of the woods' we call seminaries "cemetary's" because they usually kill your faith! Hopefully, most of you won't swallow this man's brew!

Breathe, Timm, breathe. The Religious Right is not your average Christian; I'd certainly not consider you part of it, for example. This guy is not attacking Christianity- read his final sentence, for the love of Pete. But a well-financed, well-organized minority can accomplish quite a lot, and I think that's what he's warning about. As he says, the Albanians didn't think it could ever happen there, either.

Being of the female persuasion, I am not a fan of any religious movement pushing for power in the government, since most of those religions seem to also advocate women being barefoot and pregnant. And it's a secular nation that best protects everyone's opportunity to worship as they wish.

My father got his Master's at a seminary- he told me the seminary's philosophy was that it did everything it could to persuade the students that Christ was not the Son of God, because if, after all the evidence to the contrary, the seminary student still believed in Christ's divinity, then that student was of the right stuff to be a minister. Doubt is an intrinsic part of faith-- if something was certain, it wouldn't require faith. I don't need to have faith that 2+2=4. It does. Belief in God requires faith. It's not wrong for a seminary to address doubt. It's part of the journey.

Faith without doubt leads one to believe that, oh, God is talking to one, and saying that He wants one to be President. And we see how well that works out. Bush could do with a little doubt, if you ask me. It's humbling.