Eclipse /Turf Male

[GPK]

MA - 1 Grade 1, 2 Grade 2's
EC - 3 Grade 1's
TTM - 2 Grade 1's, 2 Grade 2's


ummmmmmmmkay.

[Scav]

MA actually beat full fields, one of EC's Grade 1's simply was ridiculous and you know that, if anything, that hurt him.

you are going to come back at me with you can't control who runs against him, BUT YOU CAN.

Pletcher could have easily said he was skipping that race and then friggin enter, thus people entering, and they wouldn't waste entry money just to avoid a horse

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

MA actually beat full fields, one of EC's Grade 1's simply was ridiculous and you know that, if anything, that hurt him.

you are going to come back at me with you can't control who runs against him, BUT YOU CAN.

Pletcher could have easily said he was skipping that race and then friggin enter, thus people entering, and they wouldn't waste entry money just to avoid a horse

MA's grade 2 wins.....6 horse field and a 7 horse field. His Grade 1...14 horse field.

EC's 3 grade 1's, 7 horse field, 7 horse field and 10 horse field...

gotta do better than that argument Tom.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by T3B

MA - 1 Grade 1, 2 Grade 2's
EC - 3 Grade 1's
TTM - 3 Grade 1's


ummmmmmmmkay.

I think that EC is a better horse than Miesque's Approval, I think it just came down to a bit of EC's inability to win the "big ones." I think either a win in the Turf or in the Million gives him the Eclipse without a doubt, and probably by a landslide.

This was one of the categories I didn't really worry about, because any of the three winning would have been fine with me.

Though I wish Cacique could have just won the Turf and emphatically ended the conversation right there

[GPK]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think that EC is a better horse than Miesque's Approval, I think it just came down to a bit of EC's inability to win the "big ones." I think either a win in the Turf or in the Million gives him the Eclipse without a doubt, and probably by a landslide.

This was one of the categories I didn't really worry about, because any of the three winning would have been fine with me.

Though I wish Cacique could have just won the Turf and emphatically ended the conversation right there

only way Cacique gets 1 1/2 is on a plane ride...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by T3B

only way Cacique gets 1 1/2 is on a plane ride...

Well, everyone always worried about his sisters' distance limitations tii, until it turned out that they actually had none after all.

[GPK]

I like MA, don't get me wrong. He ran well in the BC Mile, but other than that?? Come on....nipping a gone very bad Artie Schiller and then blowing by Free Thinking to win a couple of Grade 2's??? Come on...I need more than that to get my blood going.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think that EC is a better horse than Miesque's Approval, I think it just came down to a bit of EC's inability to win the "big ones." I think either a win in the Turf or in the Million gives him the Eclipse without a doubt, and probably by a landslide.

This was one of the categories I didn't really worry about, because any of the three winning would have been fine with me.

Though I wish Cacique could have just won the Turf and emphatically ended the conversation right there

Me too.
I loved him and Intercontinental.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Me too.
I loved him and Intercontinental.

I like caqique...respect him, but I LOVED Intercontinental

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by T3B

I like caqique...respect him, but I LOVED Intercontinental

She was my girl! Too bad we had to wait until her last race to see a jockey just let her run.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

She was my girl! Too bad we had to wait until her last race to see a jockey just let her run.

I miss her and Megahertz.....God I love turf racing

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

miesk is a great horse...for me i allways caught him at a price..she ended bailys carrer with a loss took out artie the rat shilla...both of those pick 4s we hit..then i started a thread about bill motts nightmare ..he rolls at 24 to 1 in the bc me and dell are going nuts in the paddock...

[GPK]

just watched the replay of the Summer Stakes @ Woodbine...she pissed on those boys and laughed at them as she pulled away. She just flat moves beautifully over the grass...

[Gander]

I have to agree with Kevin here that you cant give it to a horse with only 1 grade 1 win when there are two horses who won multiple grade 1's and ran against top company like English Channel and Tin Man.

Now Tin Man caught a couple of weak fields and English Channel beat a bunch of packrats on Jockey Club Gold Cup Day, but they showed up and ran good every time.

Because of the Arlington Million, I have to give it to Tin Man, but I dont diss those who would give it to English Channel because of that extra Grade 1 he won.

We argued for weeks on how Tin Man stole the Arlington Million, but the fact is he showed up and was going to be hard to beat no matter what that day. He beat the best field in that race, even stronger than what showed up in the BC. I'm not buying that his win was "phony" or undeserving.

[The Bid]

The Tin Man should have won the Eclipse.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

The Tin Man should have won the Eclipse.

again, not gonna make a difference on whether I sleep tonight or not, I just plainly thought TTM or EC was more deserving that MA. That is my opinion and I don't think that there are any facts out there that can be presented to me to change that opinion.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by T3B

again, not gonna make a difference on whether I sleep tonight or not, I just plainly thought TTM or EC was more deserving that MA. That is my opinion and I don't think that there are any facts out there that can be presented to me to change that opinion.

he won more and did more ...won the bc turf...hes a great story overlooked for the most part..