Pro Football Hall of Fame

[Samarta]

Can someone please help me understand why Art Monk continues to get over looked. This guy had a tremendous career, rewrote all the record books, played on 3 Super Bowl Championship teams, never got into trouble, and still doesn't get in.

[Danzig]

i don't know why. he absolutely should be in!

Originally Posted by Samarta

Can someone please help me understand why Art Monk continues to get over looked. This guy had a tremendous career, rewrote all the record books, played on 3 Super Bowl Championship teams, never got into trouble, and still doesn't get in.

Came a little to close to Jerry Rice and he played on only one Super Bowl Championship team, but in two other Super Bowls. The one Super Bowl he did not play in was the only Super Bowl winning team he was on.

His stats look great. But Irvin got 3 Super Bowls. Apparently those go a heck of a long way with the voters. I would have put Monk in over Irvin. But I am prejudiced and hate the Cowboys as well as Irvin's lyng vices. Of course Michael Irvin has been saved about 3 or 4 times after his little coke induced sex flings. I guess Monk has not been saved enough times by popular Black pastors.

[GPK]

Good to see Thurman Thomas get in...helluva nice guy.

[Cannon Shell]

He will get in, just dont know when

[ddthetide]

Derrick Thomas overlooked again too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

Derrick Thomas overlooked again too.

He cant lobby

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He cant lobby

there was group put together and lobbing on his behalf for this year. i'm sure they'll try again next year.

another one is kenny stabler. now there's a QB and party animal.

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Came a little to close to Jerry Rice and he played on only one Super Bowl Championship team, but in two other Super Bowls. The one Super Bowl he did not play in was the only Super Bowl winning team he was on.

His stats look great. But Irvin got 3 Super Bowls. Apparently those go a heck of a long way with the voters. I would have put Monk in over Irvin. But I am prejudiced and hate the Cowboys as well as Irvin's lyng vices. Of course Michael Irvin has been saved about 3 or 4 times after his little coke induced sex flings. I guess Monk has not been saved enough times by popular Black pastors.

He played in 4 Super Bowls, won 3 (Miami, Denver, and Buffalo) lost 1 (Oakland).

[SniperSB23]

Real glad that Thurman got in. I thought Irvin's induction was expedited because he is an announcer and close to the voters. He was a great receiver and belongs in the HOF but shouldn't have got in before Art Monk and maybe even Andre Reed.

Career receiving yards:
Reed - 13198
Monk - 12721
Irvin - 11904

Career receptions:
Reed - 951
Monk - 940
Irvin - 750

Career receiving TDs:
Reed - 87
Monk - 68
Irvin - 65

Considering that Irvin's career started in 1988 as opposed to Reed in 1985 and Monk in 1980 and he started in a much more pass happy era I think that makes this difference even more staggering. I hate it when they reward the guys that had shorter careers and then enjoy success as a commentator rather than the guys who were great for a long time.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Real glad that Thurman got in. I thought Irvin's induction was expedited because he is an announcer and close to the voters. He was a great receiver and belongs in the HOF but shouldn't have got in before Art Monk and maybe even Andre Reed.

Career receiving yards:
Reed - 13198
Monk - 12721
Irvin - 11904

Career receptions:
Reed - 951
Monk - 940
Irvin - 750

Career receiving TDs:
Reed - 87
Monk - 68
Irvin - 65

Considering that Irvin's career started in 1988 as opposed to Reed in 1985 and Monk in 1980 and he started in a much more pass happy era I think that makes this difference even more staggering. I hate it when they reward the guys that had shorter careers and then enjoy success as a commentator rather than the guys who were great for a long time.

Great stats,Sniper! Media perception is usually skewed by the bright,shiny objects like trophies!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Great stats,Sniper! Media perception is usually skewed by the bright,shiny objects like trophies!

Yeah, like Irvin would have had any of those trophies without that incredible offensive line. And I'm sure Andre Reed must have distracted Norwood on that field goal to make him miss so it is all his fault he didn't get a ring. The funny thing is Monk even has a ring and at the time of his retirement was the NFL's all time leading receiver and yet he still isn't in. Maybe someday the media will realize that sports are team games and individuals' abilities shouldn't be based solely on championships won. I doubt it though.

Originally Posted by Samarta

He played in 4 Super Bowls, won 3 (Miami, Denver, and Buffalo) lost 1 (Oakland).

I stand corrected. You are right. But he did not play against Miami. I believe he was injured.

Being on the Cowgirls helps. Look at the Probowl this year. Romo and Roy Williams... are you kidding me. Roy Williams hits hard and cant cover a bed and he gets in.

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Being on the Cowgirls helps. Look at the Probowl this year. Romo and Roy Williams... are you kidding me. Roy Williams hits hard and cant cover a bed and he gets in.

I'm a Cowboys fan and I agree with you 100% on Roy Williams. He's nothing more than an out of control safety who will crush 2 people a game(often on his own team) and get beat deep AT LEAST 1 or 2 times a game. As for Romo it is unusual he got in considering the # of games he played but I don't know anyone else in the NFC I'd put in there.

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Monk seems borderline to me.

In 16 years: (1) only 3 Pro Bowls; (2) only 5 seasons w/ 1000+ yards receiving; (3) top 10 in receptions in a season just four times; (4) top 10 in receiving yards in a season just three times; (5) top 10 in receiving TDs for a season just once. To me, those Top-10 finishes would be a great indication of what kind of player he was for his era, and Monk doesn't have very many over a long career as compared to Irvin (more top 10 seasons with less seasons played) and Reed (although, I am not sold on Reed either).

Also, through the mid-to-late 80s, I am not even sure Monk was the best WR on the 'Skins (eg Gary Clark had more pro-bowls and more top 10 finishes).

Lastly, I am not sure why Monk gets much more "grassroots" support than Henry Ellard as they have very similar numbers. At this point, I would tend to vote NO on Monk.

YOu started out with a very bad arguement and made it look better. Pro Bowls... What the hell does that count for? Tony Romo and Roy Williams, both from the Cowboys, made the Pro Bowl this year. So the Pro Bowls mean squat. Delete that first part and you make some sense.
And longevity should probably count for, not against a player. Emmitt Smith does not come close to the best running back I have ever seen, but it is amazing he lasted as long as he did as a competent player.

[slotdirt]

The NFL HOF voting process is a complete joke, and always will be in its current form. That's why Art Monk doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

Sniper brings up some good points about Irvin but left out the most important...how many rings he has compared to reed and monk.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Sniper brings up some good points about Irvin but left out the most important...how many rings he has compared to reed and monk.

Do you honestly believe that if you swapped Monk/Reed/Irvin amongst their teams that any of the Super Bowls would have had a different outcome? I sure don't which is why I think using the number of championships as a major factor is stupid.