no love for ravel

[alysheba4]

surprised i havent read anything about this horse, i know it was the typical 6 horse field we always see at santa anita but this horse ran about the same as the 4 year olds later in the day (strub stakes) 48 and change i believe..... could be any kind, plus he looked like another quater is right up his alley. i think i might get me some in vegas.....

[NTamm1215]

I didn't see the race as it happened but I just watched thre replay and I think it was a very good performance. I think he's going to be everyone's hot Derby horse this week and you will see low future odds on him over the weekend. .

NT

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

surprised i havent read anything about this horse, i know it was the typical 6 horse field we always see at santa anita but this horse ran about the same as the 4 year olds later in the day (strub stakes) 48 and change i believe..... could be any kind, plus he looked like another quater is right up his alley. i think i might get me some in vegas.....

I think I read somewhere that Ravel got a higher Beyer Speed figure for his win(102) this weekend than NoBiz got (98) for his Holy Bull victory. He's certainly worth keeping an eye on.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I didn't see the race as it happened but I just watched thre replay and I think it was a very good performance. I think he's going to be everyone's hot Derby horse this week and you will see low future odds on him over the weekend. .

NT

you might be right, i belive bob and john did the same thing in lasts years sham and things havent turned out so well.

[Cajungator26]

Is he a hothead like FuPeg was?

[alysheba4]

didnt seem to be, he looked like a seasoned pro and basically cruised.....

[todko]

The HRTV crew is pretty high on Ravel right now -- might be the kiss of death. Wonder what the plans are for him? Looked good for sure but the field was short and weak.

Good time of year as some of the 3 year olds start throwing in strong performances. Interesting races nearly everywhere right now.

[ArlJim78]

Ravel deserves to be on Derby watch lists imo. His races have shown a nice progression, he finishes strong, and he runs in a profeesion manner as others have pointed out.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Ravel deserves to be on Derby watch lists imo. His races have shown a nice progression, he finishes strong, and he runs in a profeesion manner as others have pointed out.

I still like Liquidity better.

[SniperSB23]

Let's see how many weeks it takes Ravel to come back from that race. If he is back in four weeks for the Robert Lewis then I like his chances. If it takes him six or nine weeks to be ready for the San Felipe or Santa Anita Derby then I really hope he has nothing to do with the Triple Crown. For some reason I have a feeling he is going to wind up going to the San Felipe off six weeks rest and then to the Derby off seven weeks rest.

[Travis Stone]

I have a feeling Ravel shoots up the Dispatch Derby Poll later today. I voted him high, I was super impressed.

[Scav]

Has Bandini written all over him, same exact pattern also. Debuted fast, got faster, will win one of the big preps and then poof, runs 14th in the Derby

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I still like Liquidity better.

All I said was he should be on watch lists, not that he should be the only one people watch.

If you want my opinion on the comparision between the two, Liquidity has shown less in more starts than Ravel. Ravel handled him in only his third start. Ravel finishes his races stronger than Liquidity.

They're still both relatively lightly raced and things could change down the road perhaps, but for now I give the edge to Ravel.

[ManilaRose]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

this horse ran about the same as the 4 year olds later in the day (strub stakes) 48 and change i believe.....

I really liked Ravel's performance because he does seem to have his head screwed on straight and IMO will have no concerns going 1 1/4. I think the time being the same as the Strub says more about the Strub than it does Ravel. I wasn't real impressed with that group.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

All I said was he should be on watch lists, not that he should be the only one people watch.

If you want my opinion on the comparision between the two, Liquidity has shown less in more starts than Ravel. Ravel handled him in only his third start. Ravel finishes his races stronger than Liquidity.

They're still both relatively lightly raced and things could change down the road perhaps, but for now I give the edge to Ravel.

I wasn't downing your opinion... just stating that I like Liquidity over Ravel. Liquidity has a nice way of going and he seems to be very consistent. I like that.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ManilaRose

I really liked Ravel's performance because he does seem to have his head screwed on straight and IMO will have no concerns going 1 1/4. I think the time being the same as the Strub says more about the Strub than it does Ravel. I wasn't real impressed with that group.

1:48 and 2/5 is a pretty good time for a mile and a furlong no matter where you're racing. I think the Strub and Sham were both good races.

NT

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I wasn't downing your opinion... just stating that I like Liquidity over Ravel. Liquidity has a nice way of going and he seems to be very consistent. I like that.

i know, and i'm not downing your support of Liquidity either. It's too early to have real hard and fast opinions on any of them imo. and i assumed that we are talking about liking them in the sense of the Derby.

consistency may not be the thing to look for right now when considering derby contenders. I actuall look for some forward movement including winning a race or two here or there. Liquidity has found it hard to reach the winners circle since his maiden win. Other than a horse like giacomo, the derby winners usually win a lot, and often by nice margins. Not always but more often than not this is true.

[King Glorious]

I think that in order to be a really top horse, u have to have the ability to "turn it on" at some point in the race and I just don't see that with Ravel. I will be surprised if he's a threat in a race like the Santa Anita Derby and especially in the Kentucky Derby. Of course, he's still got time to develop and could show me something more in his next race but what I've seen so far, I don't see what there really is to like about him.

[lemoncrush]

Steve Haskin's new derby trail article is up, and he has him listed #2, which is a surprise.
Nice horse, and I planned on betting him last weekend, but missed the race.
Still, there wasn't much in that race, other than Liquidity.
It will definitely be a test if they bring him back in the Robert Lewis, as that race should be fairly loaded.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Scav

Has Bandini written all over him, same exact pattern also. Debuted fast, got faster, will win one of the big preps and then poof, runs 14th in the Derby

Possibly, except Bandini had to run huge in the Bluegrass Stakes to get into the Derby due to a lack of earnings, thus Todd had him cranked up; then he lost his cookies in the post parade in the Derby...........i did think that the 102 beyer was high for the race and I wasnt awed by his race-seem like a good effort, nothing spectacular.