World record??

[Cannon Shell]

DRF is not listing the Ward 2 yo as the track record holder for 4 1/2 furlongs. The records have been updated recently and she is NOT listed. Has the phony time finally been exposed?

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

DRF is not listing the Ward 2 yo as the track record holder for 4 1/2 furlongs. The records have been updated recently and she is NOT listed. Has the phony time finally been exposed?

I noticed that also, they have Pletcher's More Than Ready colt Ready's Image as the track record holder. Did the retime the race?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

poly doesent count...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by saucon17

I noticed that also, they have Pletcher's More Than Ready colt Ready's Image as the track record holder. Did the retime the race?

It is almost impossible for any horse to run as fast as they said she did.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is almost impossible for any horse to run as fast as they said she did.

Maybe the timer started a couple of seconds late. Didn't they have that problem when the new Gulfstream open up a couple of years ago, because the times on the turf course were unreal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by saucon17

Maybe the timer started a couple of seconds late. Didn't they have that problem when the new Gulfstream open up a couple of years ago, because the times on the turf course were unreal.

It happens...but I think that it is strange that no one has said anything about this considering how much hype came from Keeneland after the 'record' and late entry into the sale of the 'record' holder.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is almost impossible for any horse to run as fast as they said she did.

Just days earlier---at the preview, a filly by Belmont Stakes winner Lemon Drop Kid worked a furlong in 20 1/5th without the aid of blinkers---a filly by late developing router Mineshaft worked an 1/8th in 9 3/5ths, and galloped out a 1/4 mile in 20.24, also without blinkers.

The track feed had One Hot Wish's final time orignally at 50.12---however, there is almost no way that she wasn't by far the fastest winner of a 2yo race at that meet.

[hockey2315]

Isn't Trakus supposed to make times more accurate?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Just days earlier---at the preview, a filly by Belmont Stakes winner Lemon Drop Kid worked a furlong in 20 1/5th without the aid of blinkers---a filly by late developing router Mineshaft worked an 1/8th in 9 3/5ths, and galloped out a 1/4 mile in 20.24, also without blinkers.

And this means.....???

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The track feed had One Hot Wish's final time orignally at 50.12---however, there is almost no way that she wasn't by far the fastest winner of a 2yo race at that meet.

There is no disputing that she ran very well. But when a "world record" is declared and it would be nice if the time was accurate.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Isn't Trakus supposed to make times more accurate?

I DVR'ed all of TVG's coverage from noon to 6PM that day----when TVG showed the race live, they had fractions posted in times of 22.67, and 44.29, with a final time of 50.12

Now, the following day, I also DVR'ed the KEE replay show, they showed the race without the Trackus chicklets, and fractions were posted in 21.45, 43.05, and the final time was posted in 48.87

Mike Battaglia than says it's a world record, and that two different sources have confirmed the time of 48.87 is accurate.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And this means.....???

That the track was yielding some comically fast times.

20 1/5th second for a quarter mile in a preview is unheard of.

At Fasig-Tipton Feb, the fastest 1/4 mile work ever recorded was Tiz Wonderful's 20 3/5ths. At Barretts March, the fastest time ever recorded was What A Song's 20 3/5ths. The fastest quarter mile ever recorded in the history of the OBS sales was Afrashad's 20 3/5ths....at KEE April on dirt the fastest time ever recorded was Day Pass's 20 3/5ths.

You didn't find it a little suspcious to see THREE horses work faster than 20 3/5ths?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But when a "world record" is declared and it would be nice if the time was accurate.

It was over an artifical surface.....and at the distance of 4.5 furlongs....

IMO, It's not exactly something anyone should take seriously.

But, I certainly agree with you in general, that it would be nice if all times are accurate...world record or not.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That the track was yielding some comically fast times.

20 1/5th second for a quarter mile in a preview is unheard of.

At Fasig-Tipton Feb, the fastest 1/4 mile work ever recorded was Tiz Wonderful's 20 3/5ths. At Barretts March, the fastest time ever recorded was What A Song's 20 3/5ths. The fastest quarter mile ever recorded in the history of the OBS sales was Afrashad's 20 3/5ths....at KEE April on dirt the fastest time ever recorded was Day Pass's 20 3/5ths.

You didn't find it a little suspcious to see THREE horses work faster than 20 3/5ths?

at 2 yo in training sales ALL is suspcious

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I hear ya....but 20 1/5ths, which two horses ran at the preview, is obviously an impossible time to achieve on a natural dirt surface.

Tiz Wonderful, Afrashad, Day Pass, and What A Song were all brilliantly fast Graded Stakes winners...and they makeup the handful of horses to achieve a 20 3/5th clocking.

The ultra-hyped Sea of Pleasure, who broke a track record at Santa Anita going 2 furlongs a few months ago, won his race by 4+ plus lengths, in 20.78 seconds, getting the last furlong in 9 3/5ths, and allegedly galloping out 3 furlongs in 32 seconds flat. After his workout at KEE, just yesterday it was reported he's injured.

I guess what I'm saying is that if I have to believe two horses could work a 1/4 mile in 20 1/5th over that surface---I guess I have to believe that One Hot Wish ran her 4.5 furlongs in 48.87 over that nutty surface---as she certainly put on a show in that race.

Of course, If I had a stop-watch handy, I'd hand time the race...as 4.5 furlong races are one of the easier races to hand-time off of a tv.

[brianwspencer]

I just used my IPod to handtime it -- and timed it several times. From the 4.5 furlong pole right after the start to the finish -- I couldn't get a timing that would justify her running in under 49.

Not being an expert in hand-timing races, take that for what it's worth -- but Even when I jumped the gun slightly on the finish one time I clocked it, it still came in over the stated time.

I'd be interested in seeing what other people hand-timing it came up with.

I got closer to 50 seconds every time I did it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I just used my IPod to handtime it -- and timed it several times. From the 4.5 furlong pole right after the start to the finish.

That is the right way to hand time the race. I've seen people hand-time races from the moment the gate opens, and they get all the run-up, so the time will always come back much slower.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That is the right way to hand time the race. I've seen people hand-time races from the moment the gate opens, and they get all the run-up, so the time will always come back much slower.

Well that's what I did the very first time I watched it, but realized it came back way way too slow and then I realized what I had done. If you get a chance, or find the equipment to hand-time it, I'd love to see what other people find. I really could not find a single timing out of about seven that broke 49. Most were on the cusp of 50.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well that's what I did the very first time I watched it, but realized it came back way way too slow and then I realized what I had done. If you get a chance, or find the equipment to hand-time it, I'd love to see what other people find. I really could not find a single timing out of about seven that broke 49. Most were on the cusp of 50.

there are a bunch of media players for windows that show you the time log for a video.

if someone would like to send me the video, i can actually use an editor to do a frame by frame analysis. meaning that i can find out the right frame to start it, the right frame to end it, and subtract the difference.

pretty simple.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

DRF is not listing the Ward 2 yo as the track record holder for 4 1/2 furlongs. The records have been updated recently and she is NOT listed. Has the phony time finally been exposed?

She would have had to turn over 2 21 second 1/4's and finish with a 6 & change 1/8th , not impossible but very hard to do.