Dewhurst

[brockguy]

looks the race of the season if the 3 big guns go..
Can New Approach follow in Teofilo's footsteps and be the new ray of hope in Bolger's stable.. Can Rio de la Plata reverse form with New Approach from the Curragh after an impressive win in a G1 in France just over a week ago. Can Raven's Pass confirm the promise of his first 3 runs??

A few here think Rio could get much closer to NA with a more positive ride, but the race might be one tough race too many, and he'll need to be at his best here. Can NA keep up his irresitible form. He just doesnt seem to be giving 100% when he is racing which is quite a scary thought.. Raven's Pass looked amazing last time out so I have no doubts he is a G1 horse..

last years race was one of my favourite races of all time, so Im really hoping this lives up to its billing.. It shows just hiw good this race is, is that good horses like Luck Money, Macartney and Dark Angel are double figure odds..

best odds:
New Approach (2) , Raven s Pass (11/4) , Rio De La Plata (7/2) , Fast Company (10) , Mccartney (10) , Dark Angel (20) , Luck Money (20) , Moynahan (20) , Hatta Fort (40) , Achilles Of Troy (100) , Greatwallofchina (100) , Great Rumpuscat (150) , Magna Cum Laude (200) , Dubai Meydan (250)

[NoChanceToDance]

Darley Dewhurst Stakes (Group 1)
£250000.00 added, 2yo only, 7f, Class 1
14 runners
Going: Good


314025 Achilles Of Troy (IRE) 23 2 - A P O'Brien -
041011 Dark Angel (IRE) 13 2 - B W Hills 114
3 Dubai Meydan (IRE) 11 2 - Miss Gay Kelleway -
11 Fast Company (IRE) 67 2 - B J Meehan -
61 Great Rumpuscat (USA) 28 2 - A P O'Brien -
0026 Greatwallofchina (USA) 20 2 - A P O'Brien -
51314 Hatta Fort 86 2 - M R Channon 104
131 Luck Money (IRE) 36 2 - P F I Cole 108
260320 Magna Cum Laude (IRE) 17 2 - A P O'Brien 91
3111 McCartney (GER) 42 2 - M Johnston 115
41 Moynahan (USA) 52 2 - P F I Cole -
1111 New Approach (IRE) 34 2 - J S Bolger -
111 Raven's Pass (USA) 56 2 - J H M Gosden 114
31121 Rio de La Plata (USA) 21 2 - Saeed bin Suroor 120

I think there is every chance that Raven's Pass could win here. Out of the 'big three' he is the only one who has laid out for this race. Both Rio and New Approach are coming here as something of an after thought it seems.

I do think New Approach will turn out to be the best horse in the race in the long run, though.

Laugh if you want, but the maiden, Dubai Meydan is very highly regarded from a small stable and they think he is well up to Group class. He will be a big price if he runs on Saturday and could be worth an each way bet, given how well he has been working.

[brockguy]

New Approach sounds ready... cant wait....

from racingpost;;;;
NEW APPROACH put in a "scintillating"workout on Tuesday ahead of defending his unbeaten record in the Darley Dewhurst Stakes at Newmarket on Saturday.

The National Stakes winner will be attempting to emulate former stablemate Teofilo, who completed an unbeaten juvenile season by landing the Group 1 Newmarket event a year ago when he secured his position as Europe's top two-year-old.

The winner of the Dewhurst should claim that title again this year with New Approach again meeting his immediate National Stakes victim Rio de la Plata.

After the ante-post favourite for the Stan James 2,000 Guineas worked on his Coolcullen gallops, trainer Jim Bolger said: "New Approach worked this morning. It was a scintillating piece of work. It all went very well and he is in very good form for Saturday."

Jamie Spencer has been booked to partner supplementary entry Moynahan for Paul Cole with Richard Quinn maintaining his association with stablemate Luck Money, the Coventry runner-up and Goffs Million winner.

Both completed their preparations for Saturday's contest with an older lead horse at Cole's Whatcombe base.

Emphasising that the work was purely routine, Cole said: "They both worked very well and are in tip-top form. If there is a bit of cut in the ground it shouldn't bother either ofthem."

Moynahan impressed many in winning his maiden from Iguazu Falls at York's big August meeting and stablemate Luck Money was an equally impressive winner of the Goffs Million at The Curragh.
The unbeaten Fast Company was a market mover for the Dewhurst on Tuesday being clipped a point to 7-1 by William Hill, to 8-1 by Skybet and to 9-1 by VCbet.

Trainer Brian Meehan, whose Royal Lodge Stakes winner City Leader is set to run in the Racing Post Trophy the following weekend, saidn Tuesday: "He's in great order. He worked yesterday and looked in very good shape. It's going to be a great race."

Mick Channon had a ground warning about Hatta Fort's participation in one of the season's top two-year-old races.

After Hatta Fort breezed on the woodchip all-weather at West Ilsley, Channon said: "He's come out of his run at Longchamp great but he didn't like the going there. It was a good effort in the circumstances but if the ground's soft he won't run on Saturday."

Newmarketwas bracing itself for upwards of half an inch of rain last night but with a forecast of dry sunny spells from today through to Champions Day.

Clerk of the course Michael Prosser was forecasting good ground by Saturday.

After under 2mm of rain up to teatime on Tuesday, Prosser said: "Two forecasts are saying we will have anywhere between half and two-thirds of an inch of rain overnight.

"Tonight is quite key to what ground we will have but high pressure is forecast to build from Wednesday through to Saturday with plenty of sunny spells on Saturday.

"I think we will be good to soft on Friday on the track used for the Cambridgeshire but on fresh ground on Saturday we should be close to good."

[NoChanceToDance]

It was chucking it down about half an hour ago here, and i'm only about six miles from the Rowley Mile track.

Should be a fantastic race, i really hope New Approach will win, but it won't be the end of the world if he doesn't. He isn't bred to be a 2yo and he has achieved more than enough this year for people to realise how good he will be next year with the huge amount of improvement there is to come with this son of Galileo. As long as he runs well, i will be more than happy with that. A win is very much a bonus, like all of his other wins this year have been.

Raven's Pass has been laid out for the race, and his Sandown win has been boosted no end with the second (who was miles behind him) going on to win the Royal Lodge. He looks to be improving. Softish ground might find him out though with the sitff finish.

Rio De La Plata is a nice racehorse, and it has been unfortunate for Godolphin that they have come up against New Approach. If they really thought Rio was better than NA though, why have they purchased a large share of NA? If he is going to overturn the form it will be on Saturday, if he doesn't do it then i don't think he ever will. They have been concerned about soft ground, but speaking to the different people that have ridden him, they have all said he is better with a bit of cut underfoot. So the rain shouldn't be a problem. He has had a long season though, and a very recent race.

[gallant bloom]

hatta fort
will win in
a shocker.

[NoChanceToDance]

Well, it was raining here all night long last night. Bright sunshine now, but we must have had at least an inch of the wet stuff. The Rowley Mile does dry out quickly, but i think good ground could be the quickest to expect for Saturday.

[NoChanceToDance]

I just don't understand Godolphin. Now it looks like Rio won't be running at the weekend because of soft ground, yet everyone who has ridden him thinks he is better with a bit of cut in the ground.

Mr Crisford, just because he is by Rahy, it doesn't always mean that he will want fast ground....... if you were to talk to your staff, no matter how much lower down they are to you in the operation you might learn a thing or two

This is the only chance of Rio beating New Approach in my opinion, and it looks like they are going to cry off with their tails between their legs!


Please, cry babies...... i mean Godolphin, Please run Rio De La Plata on Saturday. It would make for a very good three way battle if he does.

[NoChanceToDance]

Raven's Pass now not certain to run, either.

[my miss storm cat]

I'd make my pick but need to wait to see if there will be any actual runners in this race.....

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I'd make my pick but need to wait to see if there will be any actual runners in this race.....

New Approach will be there, he isn't frightened!

[my miss storm cat]

Rio / Dark Angel

I'm actually more excited about this one.....

Love half the field but good luck to Al Qasi.

And Balthazaar.

Mac Love and Asset too.

Oh and Cesare.....


14:05
15 Run Vc Bet Challenge Stakes (group 2)
Class 1, £90000.00 added, 3yo plus, £54963.00 penalty 7f
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Form Horse Trainer Age Wgt Jockey
1(11) 5-15124 Cesare J R Fanshawe 6 9 7 J P Spencer
2(2) 124111 Toylsome J Hirschberger 8 9 7 S Pasquier
3(14) 21351 Arabian Gleam J Noseda 3 9 5 J Murtagh
4(3) 1-60215 Al Qasi (IRE) P W Chapple-Hyam 4 9 3 T E Durcan
5(10) 136262 Asset (IRE) R Hannon 4 9 3 R L Moore
6(9) 016230 Balthazaar's Gift (IRE) L M Cumani 4 9 3 J Fortune
7(8) 7517-21 Candidato Roy (ARG) W J Haggas 6 9 3 L Dettori
8(12) 3-24312 Duff (IRE) Edward Lynam 4 9 3 D P McDonogh
9(15) 301941 Eisteddfod P F I Cole 6 9 3 N De Souza
10(6) 306645 Mac Love J Noseda 6 9 3 E Ahern
11(7) 364117 Pride of Nation (IRE) L M Cumani 5 9 3 C P Lemaire
12(13) 111-430 Caldra (IRE) S Kirk 3 9 1 K J Manning
13(1) 131-660 Captain Marvelous (IRE) B W Hills 3 9 1 D Holland
14(5) 311117 Lovelace M Johnston 3 9 1 R Ffrench
15(4) 242221 Miss Lucifer (FR) B W Hills 3 8 12 M Hills


Betting Forecast: 9/2 Cesare, 6/1 Arabian Gleam, 7/1 Al Qasi (IRE), Toylsome, 8/1 Duff (IRE), Asset (IRE), Balthazaar's Gift (IRE), 10/1 Pride of Nation (IRE), Candidato Roy (ARG), 14/1 Lovelace, 25/1 Eisteddfod, 33/1 Miss Lucifer (FR), 50/1 Mac Love, Caldra (IRE), 100/1 Captain Marvelous (IRE)

[brockguy]

a fab days racing, i just cant see too many clear bets.. Ill back Cesare.. Everything seems in his favour (well almost everything!). I can see a fast run race with Spencer cantering through the field and hopefully, getting his head in front on the line..

Notnowcato seems like a great bet, G1 winner, ground trip ideal, just a little concern that he didnt do too well in this race last year..

Id like to have a big bet on Ravens but Ill just savour the race of the year..

[brockguy]

cracking race. New Approach shows hes the real deal.. didnt have things his own way and still won... a brilliant champion. roll on 2008!

Fast Company made up tons of ground to be a fast finishing 2nd, but it never really looked like hed get NA. NA just put his head down and showed a brilliant attitude when he needed it. I was slightly disappointed with Ravens. He came to win the race and went nearly 1-5 in running but then seemed to empty out in the last furlong. THe ground certainly was slower than he wanted so he may just need some good weather next year to show his best. it looked like they went to the well too much with Rio, a decent performance but much further behind NA than in Ireland..

[NoChanceToDance]

I'd like to see where all the people who were trying to tell me Rio would beat New Approach this time

He looked like a superstar today. He didn't get his own way and had to really battle and he was well on top at the line despite the winning distance. A very classy animal.

Rio De La Who?

It's all about New Approach.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I'd like to see where all the people who were trying to tell me Rio would beat New Approach this time

He looked like a superstar today. He didn't get his own way and had to really battle and he was well on top at the line despite the winning distance. A very classy animal.

Rio De La Who?

It's all about New Approach.

well, as i said previously, Rio looked to have had one race too many, so you can hardly come to a definitive conclusion. still a nice prospect.. that said NA was class today. It'll be a very interesting Guineas next year..

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by brockguy

well, as i said previously, Rio looked to have had one race too many, so you can hardly come to a definitive conclusion. still a nice prospect.. that said NA was class today. It'll be a very interesting Guineas next year..

I dont buy that argument at all. They said he was fine and going really well at home. Two days after his race in France they said he'd come out of it really well. He looked one of the best in the paddock today actually. To say he's had too many races is scraping the barrell for excuses.

New Approach had four races before today, only one less than Rio.

That is no excuse at all. If they didn't think he was going to run up to scratch they wouldn't have run him. The first three were simply too good for him today. He is still a nice prospect, you're right, but i'd be confident to say that he will find it very, very difficult to beat the three in front of him today.

The second ran a huge race, but never looked likely of heading New Approach.

New Approach wasn't the best away, he didn't like being ampongst horses but he really put his head down and showed the world what he's made off.

[brockguy]

trainers can never be 100% certain that a horse is fine and well. Rio looked a different horse today than last time out or in Ireland. He never seemed to be travelling, and his finishing kick was not there at all. He looked a tired horse at the end. He had 3 weeks from G1 in ireland to the G1 in France, then just had 2 weeks between that and today.. Some horses can take it, most can't..
Im not arguing that Rio is better than NA at all, but to say that youve been proved right that he cant reverse form with NA is not correct. You could be spot on that NA improves much more than Rio this winter, but I am not entirely sure that the Guineas will be a cakewalk for NA.

[NoChanceToDance]

Horses will show you if they have had enough racing or not by what they do at home. All of the Godolphin team have said they hade been pleased with his work. They said right from the word go that he had come out of the French race really well, which is no surprise because he won so easily. He looked the pick of the paddock for me. No signs of over races, he hadn't gone 'hollow' around the hip, which is the main sign of horses who have had too much racing. He certainly didn't look tired there.

You say he didn't travel, but everything travelled better than the winner through the race.

I think it is a very poor excuse myself. I can understand if he had a hard race in France, but he didn't. It was nothing more than a good exercise that day, he looked grand in the paddock, his coat still gleaming and looked full of energy.

The reason for not finding that usual kick was the hill finish, i don't think he handled that too well. That for me would be the only real excuse.

I can't see him getting anywhere near New Approach again. Why should he? He has beaten twice with ease and yet people are still making excuses for him.

Everytime a Godolphin horse gets beaten when it was fancied there are a list of excuses five miles long. The only reason Jim Bolger sent New Approach to the Dewhurst was because Rio was going to run and he wanted to silence to doubters once and for all, but still the excuses are coming from every angle for the Godolphin animal.

Why can't they be more like their staff. I was up there with two of thier lads today and they both said after the race "he just isn't quite good enough"

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by brockguy

trainers can never be 100% certain that a horse is fine and well. Rio looked a different horse today than last time out or in Ireland. He never seemed to be travelling, and his finishing kick was not there at all. He looked a tired horse at the end. He had 3 weeks from G1 in ireland to the G1 in France, then just had 2 weeks between that and today.. Some horses can take it, most can't..
Im not arguing that Rio is better than NA at all, but to say that youve been proved right that he cant reverse form with NA is not correct. You could be spot on that NA improves much more than Rio this winter, but I am not entirely sure that the Guineas will be a cakewalk for NA.

I agree that the Guineas will not be a cakewalk for New Approach, but it won't be Rio that makes him race for it. I was concerned that New Approach hit a flat spot for quite a long time today, which made me worry slightly about the Guineas. Don't forget though that the Dewhurst wasn't the plan at all for him up until two weeks ago. It was some achievement today.

I would be worried about a large field in the Guineas next year as this horse doesn't like being crowded. He's still a big baby. He had to be ponied down to the start today, did you see that? He's still very immature, which is why i think he will be a superstar next year.

I was very impressed with the second today, and he will be a real danger in the Guineas. Raven's Pass let me down a bit today (i actually thought he'd win). I left the race alone from a betting point of view. The winner and the second are both out of the top draw, and i can see the Fast Company keeping much more pace than New Approach next year. Out of all the horses NA has faced this year, the horse in second today is the only one likely to turn the form around.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I'd like to see where all the people who were trying to tell me Rio would beat New Approach this time

That would be me.

I really did think he'd win.

Easily.

Aaaah well..... not too disappointed. New Approach is indeed a very nice horse.

Must go and sulk about Maraahel some more.....