BC: Turf; FMT; Mile (PP's/Odds)

[Kasept]

Turf

10th (4:50) John Deere Breeders' Cup Turf (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $3,000,000

1 1 Fri Guy Desormeaux K J Romans Dale 126 LA 50-1
2 2 Red Rocks (IRE) Dettori L Meehan Brian 126 L 7-2
3 3 Better Talk Now Dominguez R A Motion H Graham 126 LA 9-2
4 4 Shamdinan (FR) Leparoux J R Penna Angel Jr 121 L 20-1
5 5 Grand Couturier (GB) Borel C H Ribaudo Robert J 126 L 10-1
6 6 English Channel Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126 LA 5-2
7 7 Dylan Thomas (IRE) Murtagh J P O'Brien Aidan P 126 L 7-5
8 8 Transduction Gold Graham J Glenney John 126 L 30-1


Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Daily Double

[Kasept]

Mile

8th (3:20) NetJets Breeders' Cup Mile (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 1 Rebellion (GB) Coa E M Motion H Graham 126 LA 50-1
2 2 Icy Atlantic Decarlo C P Pletcher Todd A 126 LA 30-1
3 3 After Market Solis A Shirreffs John 126 LA 7-2
4 4 Host (CHI) Gomez G K Pletcher Todd A 126 LA 30-1
5 5 Jeremy Dettori L Stoute Sir Michael 126 5-1
6 6 Trippi's Storm Castellano J J Hough Stanley M 126 LA 8-1
7 7 Cosmonaut Leparoux J R Parisel Francois 126 L 15-1
8 8 Kip Deville Velasquez C Dutrow, Jr. R E 126 L 6-1
9 9 Nobiz Like Shobiz Velazquez J R Tagg Barclay 122 LA 8-1
10 10 My Typhoon (IRE) Castro E Mott William I 123 LA 30-1
11 11 Silent Name (JPN) Desormeaux K J Frankel Robert 126 LA 30-1
12 12 Purim Theriot H J II Proctor Thomas F 126 LA 20-1
13 13 Excellent Art (GB) Murtagh J P O'Brien Aidan P 122 FTL 3-1
14 14 Remarkable News (VEN) Dominguez R A Penna Angel Jr 126 L 12-1


Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 8-9-10) / Pick 4 (Races 8-9-10-11)

[Kasept]

Filly & Mare Turf

6th (1:55) Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Turf (G1)

1 3/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 All My Loving (IRE) Smullen P J O'Brien Aidan P 118 Blk-On FTL 15-1
2 2 Honey Ryder Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 LA 9-2
3 3 Nashoba's Key Talamo J Gaines Carla 123 L 3-1
4 4 Passage of Time (GB) Dominguez R A Cecil Henry 118 7-2
5 5 Wait a While Gomez G K Pletcher Todd A 123 LA 4-1
6 6 Lahudood (GB) Garcia Alan McLaughlin Kiaran P 123 LA 10-1
7 7 Argentina (IRE) Desormeaux K J Frankel Robert 123 LA 12-1
8 8 Timarwa (IRE) Kinane M J Oxx John M 118 20-1
9 9 Danzon Leparoux J R Parisel Francois 123 L 12-1
10 10 Arravale Valdivia J Jr Benson MacDonald 123 L 30-1
11 11 Simply Perfect (GB) Murtagh J P Noseda Jeremy 118 FTL 15-1
12 12 Precious Kitten Bejarano R Frankel Robert 123 LA 30-1

[hockey2315]

Suprised to see Nobiz pre-entered in the mile. . . Is he actually going?

[my miss storm cat]

Jeremy has been sitting on a big win all year...

(Nice avatar, Hockey).

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Jeremy has been sitting on a big win all year...

(Nice avatar, Hockey).

If the turf is firm he won't be winning. Or at least, i don't see him winning if it's firm.

Really fancy Excellent Art in the mile, just as long as Spencer doesn't ride him. He has been beaten by the beat miler in europe (maybe the world) at the moment this year, a really class horse with so much natural speed and a turn of foot, which is lethal. He acts on firm/heavy, everything seems to come alike to him. If i'm honest i will be shocked if he is beaten in the mile.

Can't see past Dylan Thomas in the turf. He should win, unless the turf gets soft.

I don't actually think the Euros will be winning the filly and mare this year. All My Loving has no chance, can't believe she has been pre entered. Passage Of Time is a nice horse, but it is a tough ask for her i think.

Simply Perfect won't stay the trip, and Timarwa will probably be a bit outclassed. John Oxx is a legend though and wouldn't be sending her without a very good reason.

[brockguy]

Jermey's best race came when the ground was a road at Ascot... I think he'll do well if it is quick

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by brockguy

Jermey's best race came when the ground was a road at Ascot... I think he'll do well if it is quick

Michael Stoute has always said he is best on a good surface, wasn't there some talk of taking him out at Royal Ascot because of the ground?

[brockguy]

still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..

[brockguy]

Champs Elysees is keeping up the family tradition of competing in the BC.. He is interesting..

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by brockguy

still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..

Even though he's never won on him (... but been 2nd a few times)... RYAN (please)!

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by brockguy

still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..

Trainers aren't usually too far wrong when it comes down to ground preferences. I'm not convinced the ground was that quick at Ascot. Our ground when described as good to firm would probably be called good in America. Their firm would be our "hard", which we now cannot race on.

I'm hoping Kinane rides Excellent Art. Kinane is due to be Ballydoyle's "main" jockey over there.

MMSC, i'm not sure if Ryan Moore will be making the trip over there. If he does, then he probably will ride him.

[HaloWishingwell]

Anyone know how long SILENT NAME has been in Frankel's barn? He had the lead to midstretch with last year's group.

[Bobby Fischer]

Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics

I actually love the fact that he ran that way last race, people will overlook that it was on a yielding course. All his other races are very competitive, I'm a pretty big fan......

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics

I can assure you that he doesn't prefer firm ground. Good ground is perfect for him. If they are calling the turf "firm" in America it could be far to jarring for any of our horses in the mile.

I'm not saying Jeremy won't handle it firm, but according to the trainer he is better on good ground.

The joy with Excellent Art is that he seems to enjoy any ground. Has won on good to firm and heavy.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I can assure you that he doesn't prefer firm ground. Good ground is perfect for him. If they are calling the turf "firm" in America it could be far to jarring for any of our horses in the mile.

I'm not saying Jeremy won't handle it firm, but according to the trainer he is better on good ground.

The joy with Excellent Art is that he seems to enjoy any ground. Has won on good to firm and heavy.

That makes good sense.

Excellent Art does look very consistent. I would worry about him getting asked early enough to be involved, but Murtagh has a feel for the game and should give him a chance.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

That makes good sense.

Excellent Art does look very consistent. I would worry about him getting asked early enough to be involved, but Murtagh has a feel for the game and should give him a chance.

What i like about Excellent Art is that he travels so powerfully in his races, and no matter how fast the gallop is in any particular race, his turn of foot can end a race within a few strides. Jamie Spencer has given this horse a couple of dreadful rides this summer (he should have beaten Ramonti last time). He is a hold up horse, so he would need some solid pace in the early stages of the race.

I like Jeremy, but i'm just not sure about his overall class. On all his known form, his run in the Queen Anne does look as if it could have been a bit of a fluke.

Excellent Art has only had four runs thies year and arguably he should have had four wins, all of which were in Gr1 races.

In case you haven't found out yet, Frankel took over Silent Name after his last race in July.

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Anyone know how long SILENT NAME has been in Frankel's barn? He had the lead to midstretch with last year's group.

Oops! I think I messed up my first reply. Frankel took over Silent Name after his last race in July.