Who will be burning money?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Scav

Kev, that ground at Arlington was not good, they are nuts, it was yielding easily. It absolutely poured here following up to Million day here for like four days. They are full of bologna with that good ground....I could take my heal and put it in the ground by about an inch in my backyard that week

Is this generally what happens with the turf in America? The tracks calling it quicker than it actually is?

I noticed that Monmouth were still calling their turf "good" until about ten minutes ago when they finally changed it to yielding, even though the trainers were saying it was good to soft yesterday.

[brockguy]

yep he was 3rd in the french derby, then disappointed at the curragh (on bottomless ground!).

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

The only one no one is talking about is Any Given Sunday, and I really cant find any reason to knock his last 2 races.

The fact that he hasn't run a winning race at 10f, maybe? That he bypassed a chance to try 10f against a decent field to go 9f against allowance horses and didn't beat them very impressively? That he was getting weight from Curlin in the Haskell?

Not saying that I feel this way, just imagining what might be said.

[Danzig]

in the arlington million a few years ago, a top euro ran even tho it wasn't his best distance. yet he was felt to be so much better then the field, there was no doubt he'd win.
he didn't win. finished fourth.

ground and distance matters a great deal with turfers. dylan thomas is good, but they would have to have doubts. go in with too little respect for the competition, and you may end up wishing you hadn't been so confident in your own chances. i wouldn't be surprised at all if he scratched.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

The fact that he hasn't run a winning race at 10f, maybe? That he bypassed a chance to try 10f against a decent field to go 9f against allowance horses and didn't beat them very impressively? That he was getting weight from Curlin in the Haskell?

Not saying that I feel this way, just imagining what might be said.

i'm not liking any givens chances today either.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Scav

Kev, that ground at Arlington was not good, they are nuts, it was yielding easily. It absolutely poured here following up to Million day here for like four days. They are full of bologna with that good ground....I could take my heal and put it in the ground by about an inch in my backyard that week

Scav-

You are 100% correct. Arlington, like many U.S. tracks, seems hesitant to label their course yielding or soft. I remember it had been raining all week.....I remember After Market's connections scratching due to the turf condition. So a horse like Honey Ryder clearly doesn't seem to relish soft going and should be played against.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

The fact that he hasn't run a winning race at 10f, maybe? That he bypassed a chance to try 10f against a decent field to go 9f against allowance horses and didn't beat them very impressively? That he was getting weight from Curlin in the Haskell?

Not saying that I feel this way, just imagining what might be said.

Any Given Saturday was so sharp for the Haskell there's no way Curlin was beating him that day. As for his 10f record, he tried that once and had the 18 hole. I'd hardly say the evidence is against him at this point.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the guy simply thinks there is a chance he won't run, and gave his reasons for it. why is it necessary for you to imply he is nuts? why does every poster have to pass your sanity test or else get badgered to no end? its so tiresome.

Jim, he lives alone for a reason.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not sure exactly what i did wrong in this thread other than question an outlandish statement. Which, as we now see was an outlandish statement because Dylan Thomas IS running. See anyone can claim to be an insider and pull numbers out of their ass, but some people actually take this stuff serious. 75% to scratch?? Somone better tell that to the connections and all of the people that have bet Dylan Thomas today. Good call guys!!!

whats wrong with an outlandish opinion? thats what a longshot is.
what you did wrong is that you hound certain peoples opinions over and over as if you are superior. of course it was likely that he would run, you're not a hero to point that out.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not sure exactly what i did wrong in this thread other than question an outlandish statement. Which, as we now see was an outlandish statement because Dylan Thomas IS running. See anyone can claim to be an insider and pull numbers out of their ass, but some people actually take this stuff serious. 75% to scratch?? Somone better tell that to the connections and all of the people that have bet Dylan Thomas today. Good call guys!!!

Am i not allowed an honest opinion?

I thought it was very unlikely that Dylan Thomas would run with all of the rain forecast, given what they have said about soft turf before with this. Anyway, who has said he is sure to run? Last i read on any of the racing websites was that Aidan O'Brien was "very concerned about soft ground".

I gave valid reasons why they could (and maybe should scratch him) and i got my head biten off.

I take it you have never been wrong before?

Am i bothered that it looks like i was wrong.

It's just like someone making a call saying a 100/1 will win.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Twist away. You made a statement like you had some kind of inside info that you never had. That is all I was saying originally and now. I didn't bite your head off and now that Robin Hood came to your side you want to play the martyr role. Fine, go for it. All I did was question it. Sorry if you don't like someone questioning you, but I was civil to you.

The 75% was my opinion, if he was my horse in the exact same situation i wouldn't run him. I don't think he has much of a chance on soft ground, but i don't know how good your horses are on soft, either.

Apart from the managers at coolmore america where did i sound like i had inside information? I gave my own reasons for why i thought he wouldn't run. What is wrong with that?

I can understand the posts if i cam on and said "Dylan Thmoas won't run" without giving any reasons whatsoever.

Anyway, it's done. If he runs, he runs and i don't think he will win. That again is my opinion, you don't have to agree with me.

[SentToStud]

DT predators going on tilt early on BC day.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is hounding??? This was how I responded to him. Not trying to be a hero. that's your job. The board Robin Hood. Like I said, SOME people take this stuff seriously and people come here looking for information.

I also find it humorous that when I defend you, my tactics are okay. Otherwise you are so offended. Nice to know.

thats really funny, that you were protecting the accuracy of information for people who take this stuff seriously. let me ask you if you really think people who take this stuff seriously will look on this board and then read someones opinion that Dylan Thomas might scratch and then act upon it? thats the definition of someone that doesn't take this stuff seriously.

so, from the guy who fancies himself as the leader of the board predators, i'm bestowed the title of board robin hood? i'm honored.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No, people that take it seriously laughed at the comment, trust me.

People that bet a few days a year or not often, or newcomers to the sport come here looking for help I'd imagine. I just thought his declaration of 75% not to run was incorrect and remind me, is he running? Again, was I not civil when talking with him? Jim, where are you when people are talking about other posters family members? You have a real short memory man....

GD troublemaker...

[MarkyD]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No, people that take it seriously laughed at the comment, trust me.

People that bet a few days a year or not often, or newcomers to the sport come here looking for help I'd imagine. I just thought his declaration of 75% not to run was incorrect and remind me, is he running? Again, was I not civil when talking with him? Jim, where are you when people are talking about other posters family members? You have a real short memory man....

yeah, guys like me, bet twice a year. Tell you what all the Dylan smack talking on here did. It helped me drop the race all together. there are plenty of others.

[NoChanceToDance]

Hate to say it, but they shouldn't have run him.

Not even hit the board!!!

I hope you all avoided him like the plague!

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Hate to say it, but they shouldn't have run him.

Not even hit the board!!!

I hope you all avoided him like the plague!

Avoided him, but also avoided Shamalamadingdong in the exacta

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I did avoid the race and you were right, they should have avoided it, but he did run. So you get a 1/2 point.

Very disappointed with Coolmore after that stupid decision. There was no reason to run him.

I can't say i was surprised though, as soon as he made the track he was going to get stuffed.

I haven't wagered today...and I couldn't be happier choosing not to. However, I have to take Curlin at 5/1.

Dylan didn't scratch. See what going overboard with speculation does?

j/k, prance.