So where are all the "Pletcher is God" disciples and NO BIZ is crap believers?

[NoLuvForPletch]

Amazing the way people love to pop off about something only to never be heard from again on the subject. In the past 2 months there have been more NO BIZ is nothing more than he was last year (a slow horse) threads here so where are all of his detractors now? And how about the 10 pages worth of arguement that Pletcher is Superman in a shedrow? Another fabulous performance by his charges. Thank goodness English Channel is as good as he is, and also had the perfect trip, or it would've been another 0-fer for CEO/Thoroughbred Trainer Todd Pletcher. Any Given Saturday's performance was a pathetic joke. Maybe Todd should've found and easier spot for him to prep for the Classic than the Brooklyn? P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C!!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Amazing the way people love to pop off about something only to never be heard from again on the subject. In the past 2 months there have been more NO BIZ is nothing more than he was last year (a slow horse) threads here so where are all of his detractors now? And how about the 10 pages worth of arguement that Pletcher is Superman in a shedrow? Another fabulous performance by his charges. Thank goodness English Channel is as good as he is, and also had the perfect trip, or it would've been another 0-fer for CEO/Thoroughbred Trainer Todd Pletcher. Any Given Saturday's performance was a pathetic joke. Maybe Todd should've found and easier spot for him to prep for the Classic than the Brooklyn? P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C!!

would you mind explaining your post?

[SentToStud]

At this rate, Pletcher will, for the second time, break his own earnings record. And that is despite missing 6 weeks of Gulf, etc... His owners earned $2.5 million+ Saturday.

Yeah, he sucks.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Amazing the way people love to pop off about something only to never be heard from again on the subject. In the past 2 months there have been more NO BIZ is nothing more than he was last year (a slow horse) threads here so where are all of his detractors now? And how about the 10 pages worth of arguement that Pletcher is Superman in a shedrow? Another fabulous performance by his charges. Thank goodness English Channel is as good as he is, and also had the perfect trip, or it would've been another 0-fer for CEO/Thoroughbred Trainer Todd Pletcher. Any Given Saturday's performance was a pathetic joke. Maybe Todd should've found and easier spot for him to prep for the Classic than the Brooklyn? P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C!!

I suppose one can see you have an agenda before even reading anything you write, but like Indian Charlie said, what exactly is the point of your post?

NT

Pletcher did win the second biggest race of the day. When a trainer wins 1 race on BC day it is a great day. So if you ask me he had a very good day.

As for Nobiz, what is your point. He barely held on for 4th in a race where the beyer was a 108 for the winner. So what did Nobiz run a 100. The European with the terrible post ran by him like he was standing still. Same slow horse.

Get a clue.

[SniperSB23]

Can you please point out the 10 page "Pletcher is God" threads on here? I'm pretty sure there aren't many fans of Pletcher on here.

As for Nobiz he ran well but he also was beat by Kip Deville and Cosmonaut who aren't exactly on their way to the Hall of Fame.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Pletcher did win the second biggest race of the day. When a trainer wins 1 race on BC day it is a great day. So if you ask me he had a very good day.

As for Nobiz, what is your point. He barely held on for 4th in a race where the beyer was a 108 for the winner. So what did Nobiz run a 100. The European with the terrible post ran by him like he was standing still. Same slow horse.

Get a clue.

Just, FYI, Nobiz got a career high 103, five points less than the winner.

NT

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Just, FYI, Nobiz got a career high 103, five points less than the winner.

NT

Great a 103. Which I believe he had already run before, maybe on dirt. Are we now saying horses that run a 103 beyer are fast? Excellent Art ran by him like he was stuck in mud.

Curlin ran a 119. English Channel a 110+. Those are fast horses but somehow we hear more about this Nobiz horse than we ever hear about English Channel. Give it up already. The horse is not fast.

[declansharbor]

We all do know to take most turf beyers with a grain of salt, right?
Both progression and regression.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Great a 103. Which I believe he had already run before, maybe on dirt. Are we now saying horses that run a 103 beyer are fast? Excellent Art ran by him like he was stuck in mud.

Curlin ran a 119. English Channel a 110+. Those are fast horses but somehow we hear more about this Nobiz horse than we ever hear about English Channel. Give it up already. The horse is not fast.

He's 3, with 4 races on the turf under his belt? English Channel is 5 with about 4 times more racing experience (on the turf). Comparing his 103 to Curlin's 119 on the dirt is simply moronic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr0kB_wt3Kc

Originally Posted by declansharbor

We all do know to take most turf beyers with a grain of salt, right?
Both progression and regression.

I couldn't agree more but the horse is not fast on dirt of turf. The arguments about his trip are ridiculous. He got a better trip than half the field, a weak BC Mile field at that.

The horse could improve at 4 but nothing in his 3yr old season makes me believe he is a fast horse. A solid stakes horse but nothing to write home about.

The hype around the horse is very puzzling.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

At this rate, Pletcher will, for the second time, break his own earnings record. And that is despite missing 6 weeks of Gulf, etc... His owners earned $2.5 million+ Saturday.

Yeah, he sucks.

Seriously? I'm sure his owners are just thrilled that EC won 1.6 million of that 2.5 million+. He had a banner day by HIS standards. 10 starters, 1 win, 1 second, 1 third.

Never said "he sucks". I did say very Overrated.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

I couldn't agree more but the horse is not fast on dirt of turf. The arguments about his trip are ridiculous. He got a better trip than half the field, a weak BC Mile field at that.

The horse could improve at 4 but nothing in his 3yr old season makes me believe he is a fast horse. A solid stakes horse but nothing to write home about.

The hype around the horse is very puzzling.

I really don't see him being all that fast either. And you are correct in saying that this horse can improve moving forward into his 4 yr old campaign.
The horses he beat in his BC preps were no world beaters, it was just the impressive fashion in how he drew off down the stretch. He most certainly can make some noise in the turf division if he continues to take to the grass.

[Cannon Shell]

I cant understand the hating of the horse. To say that he did not run an excellent race in the mile is puzzling. He ran 4th and was only beaten 2 lengths despite a wide trip. He arguably ran as good as anyone in there and is the only runner who is still eligible to improve as a 4 year old. He may not be Miesque but he is a versitile horse who runs consistently on different surfaces and different distances. He is easily one of the top 6 or 7 three year olds this year from a good crop of about 18000 male foals. What's not to like?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Are we now saying horses that run a 103 beyer are fast?

I'm not about to wade into the "how good is NoBiz" debate, but yes, horses that run 103 Beyers are fast. If not, I'll take a whole barn full of those slow critters.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I cant understand the hating of the horse. To say that he did not run an excellent race in the mile is puzzling. He ran 4th and was only beaten 2 lengths despite a wide trip. He arguably ran as good as anyone in there and is the only runner who is still eligible to improve as a 4 year old. He may not be Miesque but he is a versitile horse who runs consistently on different surfaces and different distances. He is easily one of the top 6 or 7 three year olds this year from a good crop of about 18000 male foals. What's not to like?

There is no hating of the horse. The fans just need a reality check. This horse was this years most overhyped horse by far. He might improve at 4 but he really hasn't improved that much since he was 2.

He seems to always have an excuse. Whether it was the crowd bothered him (hilarious) or he got a wide trip. Wow a wide trip in a turf mile race. Who would have thought it.

The knock on him in this race was he just flattened out and a horse like Excellent Art, who had a much harder trip, just blew by him.

Is he a nice horse? Sure, but he is nothing special. To say this horse had a good day and Pletcher a bad day (the topic of the thread) is very funny. The one guy wins the second biggest race of the day and the horse runs a fading 4th. Now who had the good day and who had the bad day?

Reality check for this horse please.

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm not about to wade into the "how good is NoBiz" debate, but yes, horses that run 103 Beyers are fast. If not, I'll take a whole barn full of those slow critters.

Not with grade 1 horses it isn't.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

There is no hating of the horse. The fans just need a reality check. This horse was this years most overhyped horse by far. He might improve at 4 but he really hasn't improved that much since he was 2.

He seems to always have an excuse. Whether it was the crowd bothered him (hilarious) or he got a wide trip. Wow a wide trip in a turf mile race. Who would have thought it.

The knock on him in this race was he just flattened out and a horse like Excellent Art, who had a much harder trip, just blew by him.

Is he a nice horse? Sure, but he is nothing special. To say this horse had a good day and Pletcher a bad day (the topic of the thread) is very funny. The one guy wins the second biggest race of the day and the horse runs a fading 4th. Now who had the good day and who had the bad day?

Reality check for this horse please.

Overhyped??? Lawyer Ron and Any Given Saturday got an awful lot of face time over the past few months. They weren't even in the picture when the Superfecta was completed.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Overhyped??? Lawyer Ron and Any Given Saturday got an awful lot of face time over the past few months. They weren't even in the picture when the Superfecta was completed.

Of course, they both won meaningful races after April.

NT