Go Israel

Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us.

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And by the way ... the Star Of David is not a religious symbol ... because ... both within and outside the Jewish community ... it only achieved status in the last two hundred years. Before that it was chiefly associated with magic ... or with the insignia of individual families or communities. But despite its very equivocal history ... Jews were attracted to its design ... and have sought to ascribe it more significance. That's what resulted in its being adopted on the Israeli flag ... not any religious significance.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

This is funnier than your defense of LITF. You follow propaganda and Fox news and you will be left with this version of "the truth". Ask that bus load of fleeing refugees that got killed by an Israeli (US) missile about "minimizing civillian casualties". Ask the North Vietnamese. Ask the Iraquis.

The US has done everything in their power to avoid killing civilians in Iraq. I know that plenty of civilians got killed any way. That is an unfortunate consequence of war.
What's funny though is how you would knock America for killing civilians unintentionally, but you do not knock these terrorists who intentionally blow up a marketplace in Iraq intentionally killing 50 Iraqi civilians. I guess you think that when terrorists blow up a market place in Iraq that they are actually not terrorists but "freedom-fighters".

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=Bold Brooklynite]Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us."

Yes, you are 100% correct. I think the proof of that is 9/11. But it's really even worse than that. Not only would they kill all Americans if they could, they would even kill other Muslims if these other Muslims had slightly different beliefs. Look at Iraq right now. All these terrorists do is bomb innocent civilians in restaurants and market places. They're just killing other Muslims.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The US has done everything in their power to avoid killing civilians in Iraq. I know that plenty of civilians got killed any way. That is an unfortunate consequence of war.

What's funny though is how you would knock America for killing civilians unintentionally, but you do not knock these terrorists who intentionally blow up a marketplace in Iraq intentinally killing 50 Iraqi civilians. I guess you think that when terrorists blow up a market place in Iraq that they are actually not terrorists but "freedom-fighters".

Yeah, Rupe ... I addressed this "freedom-fighter" nonsense on another thread some time ago.

I completely silenced everyone when I pointed out that a "freedom-fighter" is someone who fights to make people free ... not to subjugate them and/or kill them if they refuse to be subjugated.

And as you noted ... the self-same "freedom fighters" do not hesitate at all to murder their co-religionists and fellow countrymen who disagree with their political aims and tactics.

I also pointed out that the true freedom-fighters in the past 65 years ... have been the members of the American armed forces ... who have liberated billions of people in scores of countries throughout the world from murderous tyrants ... and never once tried to conquer or subjugate anyone.

But there's no shaming these people ... they're so filled with hatred that they can feel no shame.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us.

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And by the way ... the Star Of David is not a religious symbol ... because ... both within and outside the Jewish community ... it only achieved status in the last two hundred years. Before that it was chiefly associated with magic ... or with the insignia of individual families or communities. But despite its very equivocal history ... Jews were attracted to its design ... and have sought to ascribe it more significance. That's what resulted in its being adopted on the Israeli flag ... not any religious significance.

In america we respect all religions, including Islam. You seem to differentiate between terrorists and Islamic terrorists, which illustrates your real thoughts. I have no problem with Israel, but they are an insignificant little country and they are like a leech that has attached itself to the US for protection. Fight your own battles and do it with your own money. As for us all being worried about being attacked by terrorists, well we would probably be safer if we put some distance between the US and Israel. It isn't making me any safer by siding with any of these insignificant little Stone Age countries like Israel. No oil, no need for us to be nice. That simple.

Originally Posted by boldruler

You seem to differentiate between terrorists and Islamic terrorists, which illustrates your real thoughts.

No I don't. This thread is about Islamic terrorists.

If you wish to talk about another type of terrorist ... then start another thread ... and we can have that discussion there.

Originally Posted by boldruler

I have no problem with Israel, but they are an insignificant little country.

No matter the size of a country ... its people are never insignifcant.

All men are endowed with unalienable rights ... including those from small countries.

[quote=Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The US has done everything in their power to avoid killing civilians in Iraq. I know that plenty of civilians got killed any way. That is an unfortunate consequence of war.
What's funny though is how you would knock America for killing civilians unintentionally, but you do not knock these terrorists who intentionally blow up a marketplace in Iraq intentionally killing 50 Iraqi civilians. I guess you think that when terrorists blow up a market place in Iraq that they are actually not terrorists but "freedom-fighters".

The US military is great. The greatest people on earth. Our leadership is weak though in the White House. They are incompetent and didn't listen to the military leaders when planning a war. Notice how almost all of these neocons never served a day in the military. Dick Cheney and Wolfowitz and the attorney for the traitor Marc Rich, Scooter Libby, all found a way to get out of fighting. It isn't the US governments role to play George Washington and liberate countries, its role should be to play France (in the revolutionary war) and help countries liberate themselves. The problem is companies like Halliburton wouldn't be making as much cash though if that was the case.

Originally Posted by boldruler

... they are like a leech that has attached itself to the US for protection. Fight your own battles and do it with your own money.

You just make yourself look foolish when you say that Israel should fight its own battles.

In fact they have ... this "insignificant" country of 6 million people ... has been butt-whipping countries with populations of hundreds of millions for the past 60 years.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

No matter the size of z country ... its people are never insignifcant.

All men are endowed with unalienable rights ... including those from small countries.

Except the people in Lebanon or the Palestinians. Right?

Get a reality check, Israel is a little league team and countries like the US and China are the big leagues.

For the 20th time, protect yourself, just do it with your own money. You seem to have no response to this.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You just make yourself look foolish when you say that Israel should fight its own battles.

In fact they have ... this "insignificant" country of 6 million people ... has been butt-whipping countries with populations of hundreds of millions for the past 60 years.

name just one.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You just make yourself look foolish when you say that Israel should fight its own battles.

In fact they have ... this "insignificant" country of 6 million people ... has been butt-whipping countries with populations of hundreds of millions for the past 60 years.

With the money they get from US tax payers. Why is some poor guy in america funding their wars? It is an insignificant country. Get it through your head. There is nothing there. No oil. Nothing. Why should the US care? We don't care about much larger countries in Africa or South America, do we.

Originally Posted by boldruler

As for us all being worried about being attacked by terrorists, well we would probably be safer if we put some distance between the US and Israel. It isn't making me any safer by siding with any of these insignificant little Stone Age countries like Israel. No oil, no need for us to be nice. That simple.

That is the type of utterly delusional thinking I was referring to in an earlier post. If you really think that the murders would stop if Israel were annihilated ... then you're really beyond hope.

And is "oil" your criterion for helping allies? France, Belgium, and China ... among many others ... had no oil back in the early 1940's ... so ... was it a mistake to liberate them?

And referring to Israel as "Stone Age" is beyond ignorant ... Israel is one of the most modern and technologically advanced nations on the face of the earth.

You need to re-think ... or get some professional treatment. Maybe a Jewish psychiatrist can help you.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boldruler

With the money they get from US tax payers. Why is some poor guy in america funding their wars? It is an insignificant country. Get it through your head. There is nothing there. No oil. Nothing. Why should the US care? We don't care about much larger countries in Africa or South America, do we.

Not to mention technology. And how about what they got from the French?

Why do we send more money to Israel than any other country? Can someone explain that without a smokescreen?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

That is the type of utterly delusional thinking I was referring to in an earlier post. If you really think that the murders would stop if Israel were annihilated ... then you're really beyond hope.

And is "oil" your criterion for helping allies? France, Belgium, and China ... among many others ... had no oil back in the early 1940's ... so ... was it a mistake to liberate them?

And referring to Israel as "Stone Age" is beyond ignorant ... Israel is one of the most modern and technologically advanced nations on the face of the earth.

You need to re-think ... or get some professional treatment. Maybe a Jewish psychiatrist can help you.

With US money they are so advanced. WE could do the same thing anywhere and not have all the problems with the Arab states and maybe get a break on some oil.

Our problems with the terrorists go down by at least 90% if we stop this ridiculously slanted policy toward Israel.

why do we pay so much to them anyway?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

That is the type of utterly delusional thinking I was referring to in an earlier post. If you really think that the murders would stop if Israel were annihilated ... then you're really beyond hope.

And is "oil" your criterion for helping allies? France, Belgium, and China ... among many others ... had no oil back in the early 1940's ... so ... was it a mistake to liberate them?

And referring to Israel as "Stone Age" is beyond ignorant ... Israel is one of the most modern and technologically advanced nations on the face of the earth.

You need to re-think ... or get some professional treatment. Maybe a Jewish psychiatrist can help you.

Maybe getting laid by a nice Jewish girl would help YOU!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Maybe getting laid by a nice Jewish girl would help YOU!!

i dont think he could get it up unless he went to Limbaugh's viagra pusher.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

That is the type of utterly delusional thinking I was referring to in an earlier post. If you really think that the murders would stop if Israel were annihilated ... then you're really beyond hope.

And is "oil" your criterion for helping allies? France, Belgium, and China ... among many others ... had no oil back in the early 1940's ... so ... was it a mistake to liberate them?

And referring to Israel as "Stone Age" is beyond ignorant ... Israel is one of the most modern and technologically advanced nations on the face of the earth.

You need to re-think ... or get some professional treatment. Maybe a Jewish psychiatrist can help you.

China, France, Belgium, etc, were countries that were part of a world war started by someone else. The US started the war in Iraq. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID?

I could care less if Israel is there or not. How does it affect my country? It is their job to use their own money and protect themselves. Explain to me why my tax dollar is funding the Israeli military? I am still waiting for this.

Any country that exists on a piece of land because they say God gave it to them, is living in the Stone Age. Are we going to give the land back to the American Indian? No, the world is the way it is because that is how it is. This God stuff, and chosen people stuff, which the Jews once claimed, and it now seems christians want to consider themselves, is dangerous. It is the same type of thinking that these "Islamic terrorists" you like to refer to have.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

name just one.

Yom Kippur War...Bingo!

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Not to mention technology. And how about what they got from the French?

Why do we send more money to Israel than any other country? Can someone explain that without a smokescreen?

[Raising hand and waving it frantically] Me ... me ... me ... me !!!!

We send Israel money to defend itself ... and they do defend themselves ... without any help from the U.S. beyond the monetary ...

... we send Israel money to defend itself because Israel is a small, free democratic country ... which has been under attack by much larger tyrannical dictatorships.

You see ... that's the American Way ... we don't like to see free people attacked by tyrants ... we help them fight back. And if they can't fight back ... we do the job for them ... as we did in WWI ... WWII ... Korea ... Vietnam ... Grenada ... Kuwait.

Fortunately ... the 6 million Israelis are quite capable of kicking butt against hundreds of millions of their enemies ... so we've never had to do the fighting for them.

There ... that's the answer you were looking for.