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Shhh....did ya hear that? It's the sound of conference commissioners tapping away at their laptops drafting play off scenarios.....
This just might be the break play off proponents were waiting for.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Rose Bowl:
ILLIONOIS...Yes, the Fighting Illini against USC

How many points will I be getting?

I think it is sad that a team like Kansas can beat up on cupcakes and go to a BCS bowl game.

Illinois went to The Ohio St and beat them.

they are on the cusp. Illinois isn't too far fetched. Time to redeem the UCLA Rose bowl debacle

[The Bid]

Illinois will beat them outright

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Hawaii came all the way back from 21-0.They make a lot of clutch plays.They look bad on defense,but make plays when forced to.I'm not in favor of putting a 2 loss team in front of them.Winner ain't a loser 'til they get beat.Would've been easy to lay down when down 3 touchdowns.

YOu nuts man.. Watch the whole game?
Hawaii goes up 35-28 with 30 seconds left. Washington gets the ball at their own 15 and in two plays, a freshman QB who has trouble throwing the ball, promptly moves Washington to the Hawaii 4 yard line. One 40 yard pass a Washington receiver is SINGLE COVERED and wide open?????

THank God the field is now small for Hawaii, the freshman immediately throws an interception in the endzone. Hawaii is a heck of a lot of fun to watch. They play Ohio State in a championship and you got a laugher. The Boise State syndrome would be snubbed out forever.

Oh the humanity... Texas Tech in a bad conference is exactly what this team is. Only Texas Tech possibly has the best receiver in college football and he is a freshman. And the Hawaii QB is a very good player named Colt from Calfornia (where one is supposed to name their kid Rainbow or Moon Unit)

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think it is sad that a team like Kansas can beat up on cupcakes and go to a BCS bowl game.

Illinois went to The Ohio St and beat them.

they are on the cusp. Illinois isn't too far fetched. Time to redeem the UCLA Rose bowl debacle

Missouri beat Illinois.
Back to square one.
Its a mess.

It should go something like this:
Regular season BCS used to determine 8 teams in the playoff (yes the moaning for the 8th spot will be heard).
The regular season should count; the playoffs determine who
the best team is at the end of the season. Its like this in almost
every other sport.

But its not gonna happen... and its sad.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Missouri beat Illinois.
Back to square one.
Its a mess.

It should go something like this:
Regular season BCS used to determine 8 teams in the playoff (yes the moaning for the 8th spot will be heard).
The regular season should count; the playoffs determine who
the best team is at the end of the season. Its like this in almost
every other sport.

But its not gonna happen... and its sad.

One thing about Missouri beating Illinois is that this is one of those cases(and people use this 'excuse way too often) that Illinois is a completely different team now then when they played Missouri, and that game was alot closer then the score indicated. If I remember correctly a couple no-calls and it is a FG game.

I am not an Illinois fan, but I had them on the radar real early in the year(kinda a redboard but my friends could confirm). Zook has done some amazing recruiting things there, which I thought would be impossible. Next year they will win the Big Ten as long as no serious injuries, they are a very young team this year and have progressed like a well coached team does

Originally Posted by Scav

One thing about Missouri beating Illinois is that this is one of those cases(and people use this 'excuse way too often) that Illinois is a completely different team now then when they played Missouri, and that game was alot closer then the score indicated. If I remember correctly a couple no-calls and it is a FG game.

I am not an Illinois fan, but I had them on the radar real early in the year(kinda a redboard but my friends could confirm). Zook has done some amazing recruiting things there, which I thought would be impossible. Next year they will win the Big Ten as long as no serious injuries, they are a very young team this year and have progressed like a well coached team does

So the regular season does not count.
I think the best team in the nation right now
is USC. So they should go because I say they are the best now.
This is what we got now... anyone present your
case for another team. It is fun.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Bulldongs cant go they didnt even win their conference.

wrong info mr bid

no where in the bcs does it say you have to win your confernce title to play in the bcs title game , all the comm'sof the leagues voted this into play

UGA cannot be disqualified because they didn't win the sec , if they get voted higher in the ap / coaches poll they will go ahead of LSU

and thye were voted higher last week

ESPN is a joke saying it's going to be LSU - does ESPN control all the voters

of course not , this is just as bad as when dan rather declared gore the winner in florida and the polls were still open in the western part of the stat in 2000,

espn is trying to get mud of it's face for the whole miles thing by saynig they should be in - a complete joke

[SilverRP]

OU -- their 2 losses came on the road. Big 12 champs.

I know a loss is a loss, but since we are evaluating 2 loss teams, shouldn't a loss at home against an unranked team be a worse loss than on the road?

[gales0678]

of course

LSU has no more right to the game than OU or USC , but , ESPN would have you beleieve differently

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Missouri beat Illinois.
Back to square one.
Its a mess.

It should go something like this:
Regular season BCS used to determine 8 teams in the playoff (yes the moaning for the 8th spot will be heard).The regular season should count; the playoffs determine who
the best team is at the end of the season. Its like this in almost
every other sport.

But its not gonna happen... and its sad.

It's not just moaning...how the heck do you detemine the top 8 teams when you can barely determine the top 2? I understand the appeal of a playoff, but if the same "formula" is followed for determining who is 6, 7, 8, 9, etc as you do for who is 1 or 2, it will be chaos.

For what it's worth, there shouldn't be any pre-season polls that weigh in the BCS formula. How can you rank a team in such an important structure that hasn't played a game yet? At least in college hoops there is a long enough season AND a tournament that invites 64 so there is usually a fair mix. But with a 10-12 game season, no tournament and a pre-season ranking that unfairly sets the table, I'm not sure how you can get a true "playoff" or bowl structure for football.

Originally Posted by gales0678

wrong info mr bid

no where in the bcs does it say you have to win your confernce title to play in the bcs title game , all the comm'sof the leagues voted this into play

UGA cannot be disqualified because they didn't win the sec , if they get voted higher in the ap / coaches poll they will go ahead of LSU

and thye were voted higher last week

ESPN is a joke saying it's going to be LSU - does ESPN control all the voters

of course not , this is just as bad as when dan rather declared gore the winner in florida and the polls were still open in the western part of the stat in 2000,

espn is trying to get mud of it's face for the whole miles thing by saynig they should be in - a complete joke

Oklahoma did get in the BCS championship one year and did not win the Big 12.

[gales0678]

and so did nebraska

this is mis information by people saying UGA can't not play in the BCS game cuse they didn't win the SEC

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's not just moaning...how the heck do you detemine the top 8 teams when you can barely determine the top 2? I understand the appeal of a playoff, but if the same "formula" is followed for determining who is 6, 7, 8, 9, etc as you do for who is 1 or 2, it will be chaos.

For what it's worth, there shouldn't be any pre-season polls that weigh in the BCS formula. How can you rank a team in such an important structure that hasn't played a game yet? At least in college hoops there is a long enough season AND a tournament that invites 64 so there is usually a fair mix. But with a 10-12 game season, no tournament and a pre-season ranking that unfairly sets the table,

Not as bad because the best two teams will presumably be in the playoff.

Agree.

There is no way a playoff system could be as unfair as what we got now. Even if a child puts it together.

Originally Posted by gales0678

and so did nebraska

this is mis information by people saying UGA can't not play in the BCS game cuse they didn't win the SEC

My bad, I think I mistook Oklahoma for Nebraska.
The point is the same.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Not as bad because the best two teams will presumably be in the playoff.

Agree.

There is no way a playoff system could be as unfair as what we got now. Even if a child puts it together.

OK..Can't argue with that.

There isn't another sport's evaluation/ranking/standings that depends more on a non-participant's opinion that college football. Well, that I know of. We all know what really matters to University Chancellors, ADs, etc...$$$.. and to have most teams inactive for 4-6 weeks..ie..not playing in a game that can generate revenue, is pretty hypocritical to those who whine about their team's ranking

[deltagulf]

yes wva pitt game officals were a disgrace. trying to get wva the win.

[Cannon Shell]

The only thing more troubling than the corrupt college presidents refusing to create a playoff system is the calls against Pitt last night. I did not have a penny on the game and have no rooting interest for or against either team (though Wannstedt sucks, old Dolphins anomosity) But there were 2 holding calls against PITT that almost changed the outcome. Bad calls at anytime. But major homer calls when made 2 times in crucial situations.

I have said before that I am the biggest Hawaii fan on the mainland but despite the undefeated season they are not and should not be title game contenders based on this system (I think). I do believe that the schedule they play should not be held against them as much as the schools in the major conferences though. They have no control over the strength of their conference foes. They are not a huge school that gets a ton of bowl money from the WAC. They have a signifigant travel cost to go anywhere. No one with anything to lose will go to Hawaii to play them. Any road game for them is at least a cross country trip that no other team has to go through. But they do deserve a BCS spot. June Jones doesnt get much credit but he takes a bunch of Samoans and rejects and made them into consistent winners. His receivers are as good as anyone. They may be undersized but run perfect routes, catch the ball and run well after the catch. The defense is a little slow and undersized but rotates 8 lineman and plays aggressive. Brennan needs to add a little bulk but has an NFL arm and great field vision. He is better than the trash that the Bears or Dolphins trot out there every week.

I was wrong about Oklahoma. They were very impressive on both sides of the ball. I have a hard time understanding how if teams like Ohio State can move up without playing and LSU can jump from 7th to 2nd with a loss to Arkansas and a slopfest over Tenn but Oklahoma beats the hell out of the number 1 team on a neutral field yet gets no consideration. Georgia fans should be livid at Vanderbilt as their choke job that allowed Tenn to come back and beat them kept the Bulldogs out of the National title game. Because if Georgia gets LSU with its injury troubles in Atlanta, you would be hard pressed to believe they would have lost.

I can see a scenario where there is a split title again. If OSU and LSU play a slopfest(which could happen)and LSU wins when OSU's punter fumbles or some other miracle and USC beats Illinois or Georgia by 40, Or Oklahoma beats whoever they play by 30 the poll voters may go with USC or Oklahoma though the BSC voters are required to vote for the winner of the BCS game. I would love to see the winner of the BCS finish third in the human polls. That is something the BCS deserves. The way this year played out if the season was a few weeks longer Notre Dame would be back in it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

OK..Can't argue with that.

There isn't another sport's evaluation/ranking/standings that depends more on a non-participant's opinion that college football. Well, that I know of. We all know what really matters to University Chancellors, ADs, etc...$$$.. and to have most teams inactive for 4-6 weeks..ie..not playing in a game that can generate revenue, is pretty hypocritical to those who whine about their team's ranking

It is hard to believe that a 16 team playoff using existing bowls for the preliminary games wouldn't generate a whole lot more money than the current system.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only thing more troubling than the corrupt college presidents refusing to create a playoff system is the calls against Pitt last night. I did not have a penny on the game and have no rooting interest for or against either team (though Wannstedt sucks, old Dolphins anomosity) But there were 2 holding calls against PITT that almost changed the outcome. Bad calls at anytime. But major homer calls when made 2 times in crucial situations.

I have said before that I am the biggest Hawaii fan on the mainland but despite the undefeated season they are not and should not be title game contenders based on this system (I think). I do believe that the schedule they play should not be held against them as much as the schools in the major conferences though. They have no control over the strength of their conference foes. They are not a huge school that gets a ton of bowl money from the WAC. They have a signifigant travel cost to go anywhere. No one with anything to lose will go to Hawaii to play them. Any road game for them is at least a cross country trip that no other team has to go through. But they do deserve a BCS spot. June Jones doesnt get much credit but he takes a bunch of Samoans and rejects and made them into consistent winners. His receivers are as good as anyone. They may be undersized but run perfect routes, catch the ball and run well after the catch. The defense is a little slow and undersized but rotates 8 lineman and plays aggressive. Brennan needs to add a little bulk but has an NFL arm and great field vision. He is better than the trash that the Bears or Dolphins trot out there every week.

I was wrong about Oklahoma. They were very impressive on both sides of the ball. I have a hard time understanding how if teams like Ohio State can move up without playing and LSU can jump from 7th to 2nd with a loss to Arkansas and a slopfest over Tenn but Oklahoma beats the hell out of the number 1 team on a neutral field yet gets no consideration. Georgia fans should be livid at Vanderbilt as their choke job that allowed Tenn to come back and beat them kept the Bulldogs out of the National title game. Because if Georgia gets LSU with its injury troubles in Atlanta, you would be hard pressed to believe they would have lost.

I can see a scenario where there is a split title again. If OSU and LSU play a slopfest(which could happen)and LSU wins when OSU's punter fumbles or some other miracle and USC beats Illinois or Georgia by 40, Or Oklahoma beats whoever they play by 30 the poll voters may go with USC or Oklahoma though the BSC voters are required to vote for the winner of the BCS game. I would love to see the winner of the BCS finish third in the human polls. That is something the BCS deserves. The way this year played out if the season was a few weeks longer Notre Dame would be back in it.

An overrated #1 team. Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech... hardly world beaters.