Fixed game

[Danzig]

i used to think that as well, that a playoff system could work. but then you look at the number of bowls out there.
guy was on mike and mike, talking about the current system vs a playoff system. i don't think it'll ever change. there is just too much money involved, and it would not be comparable to the lesser schools who go to the lesser bowls to switch systems. yes, the top eight might still end up ok--but there are over 60 teams who go to bowls. title ix was also mentioned as a factor.
for many schools, their football program funds practically all of their other sports at the school. lose the current money making system, then what?

besides, look at how much interest is generated, the debate. still pretty exciting stuff.

after hearing all this talk lately, i'm convinced the current system will not change. i guess the bcs title game is the best they can do regarding settling who is #1. the trick remains getting the top two in that game to play for #1!!

in other words, you may as well snuggle up and get comfy with the bowl system, instead of going nuts waiting for a change that will never come.

[mclem10011]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

WV/Pitt. The refs are a disgrace.

I don't know about the fix being in, but those calls were horrible! I'm glad Pitt was able to overcome that, the way their defense played, they deserved the win.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only thing more troubling than the corrupt college presidents refusing to create a playoff system is the calls against Pitt last night. I did not have a penny on the game and have no rooting interest for or against either team (though Wannstedt sucks, old Dolphins anomosity) But there were 2 holding calls against PITT that almost changed the outcome. Bad calls at anytime. But major homer calls when made 2 times in crucial situations.

I have said before that I am the biggest Hawaii fan on the mainland but despite the undefeated season they are not and should not be title game contenders based on this system (I think). I do believe that the schedule they play should not be held against them as much as the schools in the major conferences though. They have no control over the strength of their conference foes. They are not a huge school that gets a ton of bowl money from the WAC. They have a signifigant travel cost to go anywhere. No one with anything to lose will go to Hawaii to play them. Any road game for them is at least a cross country trip that no other team has to go through. But they do deserve a BCS spot. June Jones doesnt get much credit but he takes a bunch of Samoans and rejects and made them into consistent winners. His receivers are as good as anyone. They may be undersized but run perfect routes, catch the ball and run well after the catch. The defense is a little slow and undersized but rotates 8 lineman and plays aggressive. Brennan needs to add a little bulk but has an NFL arm and great field vision. He is better than the trash that the Bears or Dolphins trot out there every week.

I was wrong about Oklahoma. They were very impressive on both sides of the ball. I have a hard time understanding how if teams like Ohio State can move up without playing and LSU can jump from 7th to 2nd with a loss to Arkansas and a slopfest over Tenn but Oklahoma beats the hell out of the number 1 team on a neutral field yet gets no consideration. Georgia fans should be livid at Vanderbilt as their choke job that allowed Tenn to come back and beat them kept the Bulldogs out of the National title game. Because if Georgia gets LSU with its injury troubles in Atlanta, you would be hard pressed to believe they would have lost.

I can see a scenario where there is a split title again. If OSU and LSU play a slopfest(which could happen)and LSU wins when OSU's punter fumbles or some other miracle and USC beats Illinois or Georgia by 40, Or Oklahoma beats whoever they play by 30 the poll voters may go with USC or Oklahoma though the BSC voters are required to vote for the winner of the BCS game. I would love to see the winner of the BCS finish third in the human polls. That is something the BCS deserves. The way this year played out if the season was a few weeks longer Notre Dame would be back in it.

Chuck..That is an incredible dissertation on the state of college football. But I am too hungover to even try and reply intelligently, so I will focus instead on the sheer entertainment value that Dave Wannestedt and his crutches brought to last night's game. See Dave hobble, see Dave thrashing helplessly with crutches, see Dave throw crutches to the ground, see Dave walking without crutches ( praaaaaise Jesus). DOCICU needs to comment on what prevailing as a 3 touchdown underdog can do for healing what ails you.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is hard to believe that a 16 team playoff using existing bowls for the preliminary games wouldn't generate a whole lot more money than the current system.

Agreed...

[mclem10011]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The BCS deserves the Chaos of #1 and #2 losing

There's never been more of an evident season then in 2007, that screams for this BS system to be tossed, and a playoff system to be put in place! Only then, can a true national champion be crowned!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

An overrated #1 team. Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech... hardly world beaters.

There is no denying the losses and Mizzou was hardly a powerhouse number 1 but they did win in a convincing fashion and isn't that important? Can you reasonably say that it was the most impressive performance by a top 10 team the last few weeks? I was very skeptical of them (I saw the second half of the Colordao collapse) but they are arguably the best team out there right now, and their credentials are at least as good as Ohio State, LSU, Georgia, Va Tech and USC.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i used to think that as well, that a playoff system could work. but then you look at the number of bowls out there.
guy was on mike and mike, talking about the current system vs a playoff system. i don't think it'll ever change. there is just too much money involved, and it would not be comparable to the lesser schools who go to the lesser bowls to switch systems. yes, the top eight might still end up ok--but there are over 60 teams who go to bowls. title ix was also mentioned as a factor.
for many schools, their football program funds practically all of their other sports at the school. lose the current money making system, then what?

besides, look at how much interest is generated, the debate. still pretty exciting stuff.

after hearing all this talk lately, i'm convinced the current system will not change. i guess the bcs title game is the best they can do regarding settling who is #1. the trick remains getting the top two in that game to play for #1!!

in other words, you may as well snuggle up and get comfy with the bowl system, instead of going nuts waiting for a change that will never come.

No one said the **** sack bowls had to go. The fact is that the teams that play in the lower level games dont really make much money from them anyway. A 16 team playoff would generate WAY more money than the current system which could be disrtibuted among all division 1 teams so that everyone benefits. The propaganda is sickening.
Check this out
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_...yhoo&type=lgns

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Chuck..That is an incredible dissertation on the state of college football. But I am too hungover to even try and reply intelligently, so I will focus instead on the sheer entertainment value that Dave Wannestedt and his crutches brought to last night's game. See Dave hobble, see Dave thrashing helplessly with crutches, see Dave throw crutches to the ground, see Dave walking without crutches ( praaaaaise Jesus). DOCICU needs to comment on what prevailing as a 3 touchdown underdog can do for healing what ails you.

You still gotta love the porn star stache

[Danzig]

but a 16 team playoff leaves about 50 teams out of the equation--and many are worred that a playoff system would essentially kill those other small bowls.

hey, i'd love to see a change and a playoff system. i just don't think it'll happen, regardless of what the fans want. until the powers that be want it, it will not happen--and i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the schools to leap at the idea. they have it too good now.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You still gotta love the porn star stache

He is a very handsome man

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but a 16 team playoff leaves about 50 teams out of the equation--and many are worred that a playoff system would essentially kill those other small bowls.

hey, i'd love to see a change and a playoff system. i just don't think it'll happen, regardless of what the fans want. until the powers that be want it, it will not happen--and i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the schools to leap at the idea. they have it too good now.

How would it kill those other bowls? You have 6-6 teams playing each other in places like El Paso, Texas. Many, if not most of them are played on weekday nights. It would be similar to the NIT in college basketball. It makes money or it would have faded away.

I think that the playoff system will come up when a Senator from a jilted state starts an inquiry into how a few individuals are monetarily benefitting from public institutions and college kids. When the names are dragged out of the shadows and the secret payments are brought to light, things will change. Jim Delany is as crooked as any politician.

[AeWingnut]

if Missouri was #1 and Ohio St can be playing for the BCS title - how does Illinois not deserve to go to the Rose Bowl? They defeated Ohio St in Ohio and lost to Missouri in a close game.

I'll take the 40 points

what's the bet now?

[Danzig]

how would it? because it would make those bowls meaningless. some already are to some, but not to the teams playing it, those sponsoring it, those who buy ad space. i think it would be a hard sell that they would do as well under a new system.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

if Missouri was #1 and Ohio St can be playing for the BCS title - how does Illinois not deserve to go to the Rose Bowl? They defeated Ohio St in Ohio and lost to Missouri in a close game.

I'll take the 40 points

what's the bet now?

I believe there was talk about Illinois facing Florida in the Capital One Bowl. I haven't seen the Zookster in person for a while now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

He is a very handsome man

West Virginia should start next season with a loss for losing a big game to Chokin Dave. The ironic thing was Wannsteadt got an extention BEFORE the game. I was waiting for the reaction when they got hammered to finish the season at 4-8 and the coach gets an extention. Even though we are seemingly shellshocked from all the big upsets, this one was as unlikely as any of them considering what was at stake.

[King Glorious]

What I'd be happy with if they don't go to a playoff is the old bowl system with the old conference tie-ins, with a few changes:

Rose-Big 10 vs. Pac 10 (Ohio St. vs. USC)
Sugar-SEC (LSU vs. Georgia)
Orange-ACC (Va Tech vs. Hawaii)
Cotton-Big 12 (Oklahoma vs. Florida)
Fiesta-Big East (West Va vs. Missouri)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

if Missouri was #1 and Ohio St can be playing for the BCS title - how does Illinois not deserve to go to the Rose Bowl? They defeated Ohio St in Ohio and lost to Missouri in a close game.

I'll take the 40 points

what's the bet now?

all will be revealed tonight at 7.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

West Virginia should start next season with a loss for losing a big game to Chokin Dave. The ironic thing was Wannsteadt got an extention BEFORE the game. I was waiting for the reaction when they got hammered to finish the season at 4-8 and the coach gets an extention. Even though we are seemingly shellshocked from all the big upsets, this one was as unlikely as any of them considering what was at stake.

i heard friday he got an extension, which i thought was highly amusing. but pitt must be happy with him--he continues their long tradition of mediocrity. but then to beat the mountaineers....unbelievable.
shame i missed the game, only one we managed to see was lsu.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how would it? because it would make those bowls meaningless. some already are to some, but not to the teams playing it, those sponsoring it, those who buy ad space. i think it would be a hard sell that they would do as well under a new system.

Are the popajohnsbowl or San Francisco Bowl or Texas Bowl or Liberty Bowl or Chik-fil-a bowl or Holiday Bowl or the rest not meaningless now? Do the teams playing in the Hawaii Bowl think if they play big they might get some votes for #1? Is the NCAA BB tourney not the biggest tournament in the US? Did CBS give the NCAA more than a billion dollars for the rights to cover it for 7 years?

[Danzig]

chuck, you don't have to convince me. i agree that many are meaningless now. but they aren't considered meaningless to those schools. you have to convince them.