Doc Cheney

[blackthroatedwind]

This horse has been the source of some pretty outrageous claims recently on this board. Well, he's running in tomorrow's first race at Aqueduct. Now, he is probably in too tough, and is being ridden by the worst rider at Aqueduct ( if not the entire country ) in Felix Ortiz, but even if only for educational purposes, I recommend that you carefully watch the replay of his last race. I think it will refute the silly notion that he didn't run well. My guess? With even a professional jockey he would have won and it is hard to deny that he was at least close to the best horse in that race.

Maybe he'll get another boneheaded ride tomorrow and then get a rider switch, Rudy Rodriguez would be a huge move up, and find a good spot for the following race.

[SentToStud]

Doc Cheney, Birdbirdistheword turfing at Calder and SweetNorthernSaint sprinting at Turfway. They're all intersting races.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Doc Cheney, Birdbirdistheword turfing at Calder and SweetNorthernSaint sprinting at Turfway. They're all intersting races.

I thought Birdbird was a little interesting. Speaking of bad rides.....take a look at the replay of his last race.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I thought Birdbird was a little interesting. Speaking of bad rides.....take a look at the replay of his last race.

Does this mean that you expect him to outrun his m/l odds tomorrow?
I certainly do.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Does this mean that you expect him to outrun his m/l odds tomorrow?
I certainly do.

I don't know what his morning line is but I expect to lose a few bucks on him.

It's a tricky race.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I thought Birdbird was a little interesting. Speaking of bad rides.....take a look at the replay of his last race.

Yeah, it's the typical JOhnny Vee turf ride. Was he on?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yeah, it's the typical JOhnny Vee turf ride. Was he on?

Albarado....but you're right, it looked like Johnny.

[SentToStud]

I thought Albarado blew the first 1/8, then the horse was doomed. I thought he was as wide on the first turn as the second.

Interesting race. Locals are hopeless, save Stom In May. There is no known method of quantifying Juan Leyva off.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Interesting race. Locals are hopeless, save Stom In May. There is no known method of quantifying Juan Leyva off.

Further trouble.....I also agree with all this.

[the_fat_man]

The AXTHELM has come up real interesting:

--Pleasant Strike off a very nice second to (a properly ridden) War Monger BC
week. Johnny V actually stayed INSIDE the other day on Dancing Forever and got himself a nice win. He might be growing
them back.

--Birdbirdistheword off the ridiculous trip in a nice race last May at CD --- can't see a wide sweeping move working on this
course, however

-- and, Sleeping Indian, of all horses, coming off of (reportedly) two perfect trips in a row, trying 2 turns for the 1st time.

Be interesting to see if the last one is competitive here; though the morning line for him is RIDICULOUS

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The AXTHELM has come up real interesting:

--Pleasant Strike off a very nice second to (a properly ridden) War Monger BC
week. Johnny V actually stayed INSIDE the other day on Dancing Forever and got himself a nice win. He might be growing
them back.

--Birdbirdistheword off the ridiculous trip in a nice race last May at CD --- can't see a wide sweeping move working on this
course, however

-- and, Sleeping Indian, of all horses, coming off of (reportedly) two perfect trips in a row, trying 2 turns for the 1st time.

Be interesting to see if the last one is competitive here; though the morning line for him is RIDICULOUS

Two of those can actually win tomorrow.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Two of those can actually win tomorrow.

I'm assuming that SI is the odd horse out. Anyone else in the field I can put him against and get a thumbs up from you?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm assuming that SI is the odd horse out. Anyone else in the field I can put him against and get a thumbs up from you?

I'm just going to be stubborn and marry myself to hating him. But, the field is far from special, so I suppose he's not completely impossible. Maybe all the other speeds will lose their riders at the break and he will go 25 and 50.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just going to be stubborn and marry myself to hating him. But, the field is far from special, so I suppose he's not completely impossible. Maybe all the other speeds will lose their riders at the break and he will go 25 and 50.

I'm trying to get all the trips from Mel's Hope. What a nightmare; there are so many trouble lines in the race.

I'm just joking around with you.

While I think this horse is talented and doesn't necessarily need the lead, he'll be compromised by the outside post and have to go, and just won't be enough of a price against more experienced horses. I can't see this race collapsing as badly as the Mel's Hope, however. Better jocks are in town and maybe we'll get some better and more patient rides, finally.

I think the Frances Genter will be a better betting race.

[blackthroatedwind]

I guess that means you're not thrilled with Rutherian.

[philcski]

I'm liking Buffalo Man at 10-1 in the PAx. Moves to the surface he's bred for, draws the world's best rider, and figures to get a nice stalking trip.

[blackthroatedwind]

So apparently nobody is interested in watching the replay of Doc Cheney's last race. Too bad.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess that means you're not thrilled with Rutherian.

That runt sneaking up the rail in SAR, while I got the two widest trips in the race, was one of my worst beats of the year. I loathe her.

I've been waiting for Sweet Ransom, of all horses, since her last race at KEE. While I've never thought much of her, I just really like her last race and think she'll be a decent price; and I get Snow Cone in the package. Still need to do alot more work on the race, however.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So apparently nobody is interested in watching the replay of Doc Cheney's last race. Too bad.

I looked at the replay. OUtside of finishing poorly, what did you find wrong with the ride?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So apparently nobody is interested in watching the replay of Doc Cheney's last race. Too bad.

I saw the race, because it was that big carryover so it was the last time I paid any attention to Aqu- this is the kind of horse that you bet back on the inner. Ran credibly despite being shuffled back and hung wide both turns on a definitively rail biased racetrack. While it's technically a move up in class the horse that won that race would likely be favored against this field. He's certainly better than his 12-1 odds and with the post he definitely can make the lead and the rail- the horse inside him should offer little resistance for that. I like the play.