LOL-ain't over

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm not sure how you can say that since it has been in the papers the last 6 months and on TV the last week.
Blago is Figure A and is in deep trouble...and deserves every bit of it

fill me in here. what crimminal connections is the gov of il caught up in ? curious

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

ok, I'll go along with that. I wouldn't want anyone to confuse him with any limited gubment, liberty minded conservatives.

I know that everyone says we have to dumb it down so the idiot swing voters will go along.

not too many people may know this but it appears that Obama has the same criminal connections that the gov. of il Rod Blogo has. I doubt it would happen but he may have to appear in court.

of the last 4 governors - only former gov. Jim Edgar has managed to stay out of jail.
btw
Jim Edgar is a horse enthusiast. The family are owners.

Where's Jim Thompson doing time?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

fill me in here. what crimminal connections is the gov of il caught up in ? curious

There's a trial that started Monday of a guy named Tony Rezco..google him for the best background, but he's a Syrian ( I think) gazillionaire who is accused of ( and probably guilty of) major influence peddling. There have been piles of papers filed by the Feds against him and there is a "Figure A" who is mentioned pre-dominantly throughout. A Judge last week released that Figure A is the Gov of Illinois, Rod Bladgojavich. So, it's going to get interesting.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There's a trial that started Monday of a guy named Tony Rezco..google him for the best background, but he's a Syrian ( I think) gazillionaire who is accused of ( and probably guilty of) major influence peddling. There have been piles of papers filed by the Feds against him and there is a "Figure A" who is mentioned pre-dominantly throughout. A Judge last week released that Figure A is the Gov of Illinois, Rod Bladgojavich. So, it's going to get interesting.

k thanks i will have to keep a eye on this .

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

i guess it was the referring to the dems ideas as a joke and mcains no better and thinking to myself change can be good. we dont know the exact outcome of some of these policies unless they are implemented and put into action. nothing wrongwith trying something new. and i say status quo as to how the country has been run for so long aswe are not in the best of sorts, and improvments can be made in many areas. and some clean up needs to be done .i took it as you thought they are no better then what we have now. but from what we have now we can only go upwards hopefully

There is a difference between change and talking about change. The Hillary health care plan is basically a hidden tax on the young people of this country. It also creates a mandate stating that you have to get healthcare or you will be fined. I think it should be made available to everyone and it is up to the individual to decide if he/she wants it. In order to have true universal health care you have to go to a single payer system. Taxing the rich does no good (which Obama wants). People are rich and can hire accountants to hide their money. So, once again the middle class will be the grunts of the tax system. In order to have a fair tax system, you should go to a national sales tax. This way you get to decide how much you pay into the system. Iraq is a mess but pulling out makes it no better. Not sure what the solution would be, I feel sorry for whoever gets elected when it comes to Iraq. Change and trying new ideas is good as long as they are good ideas and it is for real change as oppossed to change to get elected.

Now, Hillary better watch her words. She is basically saying that Obama is not experienced enough. Well this is going to come back to bite her or Obama. Neither of them has the experience that McCain has. So if Obama isnt fit, then what makes Hillary more fit to be President than McCain?

The economy is in OK shape. NAFTA has played a HUGE role in our economic struggles. We basically have lost our fundamental economic base (manufacturing). America does not create anything anymore....we serve and that is not good. This started in the Clinton Administration. To add to the bad economy, Greenspan messed around with rates too much during his later years. Bernarke is doing the same.

Whoever is the Pres, they are going to have tons to do with little time to do it. But in my opinion, Obama, Hillary and McCain is not what this country needs right now.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by whodey17

There is a difference between change and talking about change. The Hillary health care plan is basically a hidden tax on the young people of this country. It also creates a mandate stating that you have to get healthcare or you will be fined. I think it should be made available to everyone and it is up to the individual to decide if he/she wants it. In order to have true universal health care you have to go to a single payer system. Taxing the rich does no good (which Obama wants). People are rich and can hire accountants to hide their money. So, once again the middle class will be the grunts of the tax system. In order to have a fair tax system, you should go to a national sales tax. This way you get to decide how much you pay into the system. Iraq is a mess but pulling out makes it no better. Not sure what the solution would be, I feel sorry for whoever gets elected when it comes to Iraq. Change and trying new ideas is good as long as they are good ideas and it is for real change as oppossed to change to get elected.

Now, Hillary better watch her words. She is basically saying that Obama is not experienced enough. Well this is going to come back to bite her or Obama. Neither of them has the experience that McCain has. So if Obama isnt fit, then what makes Hillary more fit to be President than McCain?

The economy is in OK shape. NAFTA has played a HUGE role in our economic struggles. We basically have lost our fundamental economic base (manufacturing). America does not create anything anymore....we serve and that is not good. This started in the Clinton Administration. To add to the bad economy, Greenspan messed around with rates too much during his later years. Bernarke is doing the same.

Whoever is the Pres, they are going to have tons to do with little time to do it. But in my opinion, Obama, Hillary and McCain is not what this country needs right now.

In all seriousness, who do/did you have in mind?

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by whodey17

There is a difference between change and talking about change. The Hillary health care plan is basically a hidden tax on the young people of this country. It also creates a mandate stating that you have to get healthcare or you will be fined. I think it should be made available to everyone and it is up to the individual to decide if he/she wants it. In order to have true universal health care you have to go to a single payer system. Taxing the rich does no good (which Obama wants). People are rich and can hire accountants to hide their money. So, once again the middle class will be the grunts of the tax system. In order to have a fair tax system, you should go to a national sales tax. This way you get to decide how much you pay into the system. Iraq is a mess but pulling out makes it no better. Not sure what the solution would be, I feel sorry for whoever gets elected when it comes to Iraq. Change and trying new ideas is good as long as they are good ideas and it is for real change as oppossed to change to get elected.

Now, Hillary better watch her words. She is basically saying that Obama is not experienced enough. Well this is going to come back to bite her or Obama. Neither of them has the experience that McCain has. So if Obama isnt fit, then what makes Hillary more fit to be President than McCain?

The economy is in OK shape. NAFTA has played a HUGE role in our economic struggles. We basically have lost our fundamental economic base (manufacturing). America does not create anything anymore....we serve and that is not good. This started in the Clinton Administration. To add to the bad economy, Greenspan messed around with rates too much during his later years. Bernarke is doing the same.

Whoever is the Pres, they are going to have tons to do with little time to do it. But in my opinion, Obama, Hillary and McCain is not what this country needs right now.

was just going to ask the same question?

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Sez who? And why?

Sad about jobs leaving but really now, do you think those jobs weren't leaving if not for NAFTA?

The jobs that went were going to go.

Just about every economist and enviromentalist out there states that NAFTA is not a good piece of legislation. It (NAFTA) has created child sweat shops, illegal immigration has increased since NAFTA not decreased like they (politicians) thought, it also tries to create a level trading field for Mexico, Canada and U.S, (but why do we want to be on the same playing field as far as trade goes with those countries), it has created horrible enviromental disaster along the Mexico U.S border (Mexico does not have very good enviromental laws), pay has not increased for the workers in Mexico like they thought, jobs have been lost that prob would not have gone overseas....the list is endless as to why this is a bad piece of legislation.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by whodey17

There is a difference between change and talking about change. The Hillary health care plan is basically a hidden tax on the young people of this country. It also creates a mandate stating that you have to get healthcare or you will be fined. I think it should be made available to everyone and it is up to the individual to decide if he/she wants it. In order to have true universal health care you have to go to a single payer system. Taxing the rich does no good (which Obama wants). People are rich and can hire accountants to hide their money. So, once again the middle class will be the grunts of the tax system. In order to have a fair tax system, you should go to a national sales tax. This way you get to decide how much you pay into the system. Iraq is a mess but pulling out makes it no better. Not sure what the solution would be, I feel sorry for whoever gets elected when it comes to Iraq. Change and trying new ideas is good as long as they are good ideas and it is for real change as oppossed to change to get elected.
Now, Hillary better watch her words. She is basically saying that Obama is not experienced enough. Well this is going to come back to bite her or Obama. Neither of them has the experience that McCain has. So if Obama isnt fit, then what makes Hillary more fit to be President than McCain?

The economy is in OK shape. NAFTA has played a HUGE role in our economic struggles. We basically have lost our fundamental economic base (manufacturing). America does not create anything anymore....we serve and that is not good. This started in the Clinton Administration. To add to the bad economy, Greenspan messed around with rates too much during his later years. Bernarke is doing the same.

Whoever is the Pres, they are going to have tons to do with little time to do it. But in my opinion, Obama, Hillary and McCain is not what this country needs right now.

i agree with you here

[SCUDSBROTHER]

For the people who love this national sales tax stuff,how do you keep people from quietly exchanging product for cash(without telling anybody?)

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by GBBob

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In all seriousness, who do/did you have in mind?

I will name three that I think would do a better job than Obama, Clinton or McCain---Biden, Charlie Crist and Chris Dodd.

two for Ralph Nader.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the people who love this national sales tax stuff,how do you keep people from quietly exchanging product for cash(without telling anybody?)

Scus, I am not understanding your question. Could you expand on it a little...thanks.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by whodey17

There is a difference between change and talking about change. The Hillary health care plan is basically a hidden tax on the young people of this country. It also creates a mandate stating that you have to get healthcare or you will be fined. I think it should be made available to everyone and it is up to the individual to decide if he/she wants it. In order to have true universal health care you have to go to a single payer system. Taxing the rich does no good (which Obama wants). People are rich and can hire accountants to hide their money. So, once again the middle class will be the grunts of the tax system. In order to have a fair tax system, you should go to a national sales tax. This way you get to decide how much you pay into the system. Iraq is a mess but pulling out makes it no better. Not sure what the solution would be, I feel sorry for whoever gets elected when it comes to Iraq. Change and trying new ideas is good as long as they are good ideas and it is for real change as oppossed to change to get elected.

Now, Hillary better watch her words. She is basically saying that Obama is not experienced enough. Well this is going to come back to bite her or Obama. Neither of them has the experience that McCain has. So if Obama isnt fit, then what makes Hillary more fit to be President than McCain?

The economy is in OK shape. NAFTA has played a HUGE role in our economic struggles. We basically have lost our fundamental economic base (manufacturing). America does not create anything anymore....we serve and that is not good. This started in the Clinton Administration. To add to the bad economy, Greenspan messed around with rates too much during his later years. Bernarke is doing the same.

Whoever is the Pres, they are going to have tons to do with little time to do it. But in my opinion, Obama, Hillary and McCain is not what this country needs right now.

here i think its not as dire a situation as you make it out to be. i think people are smart enuff or should be to know that this is a tatical move to gain votes only and deep in her heart she would truley admit he's more then qualified. look at the qualifications of the egghead we have now. all obama has to keep preaching is do you want a lifelong politician and the same backslapping good ol boy type of government ordo you want what out of the three would be considered more of a outsider trying to clear the red tape and stop politics as usual

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by whodey17

There is a difference between change and talking about change. The Hillary health care plan is basically a hidden tax on the young people of this country. It also creates a mandate stating that you have to get healthcare or you will be fined. I think it should be made available to everyone and it is up to the individual to decide if he/she wants it. In order to have true universal health care you have to go to a single payer system. Taxing the rich does no good (which Obama wants). People are rich and can hire accountants to hide their money. So, once again the middle class will be the grunts of the tax system. In order to have a fair tax system, you should go to a national sales tax. This way you get to decide how much you pay into the system. Iraq is a mess but pulling out makes it no better. Not sure what the solution would be, I feel sorry for whoever gets elected when it comes to Iraq. Change and trying new ideas is good as long as they are good ideas and it is for real change as oppossed to change to get elected.

Now, Hillary better watch her words. She is basically saying that Obama is not experienced enough. Well this is going to come back to bite her or Obama. Neither of them has the experience that McCain has. So if Obama isnt fit, then what makes Hillary more fit to be President than McCain?

The economy is in OK shape. NAFTA has played a HUGE role in our economic struggles. We basically have lost our fundamental economic base (manufacturing). America does not create anything anymore....we serve and that is not good. This started in the Clinton Administration. To add to the bad economy, Greenspan messed around with rates too much during his later years. Bernarke is doing the same.

Whoever is the Pres, they are going to have tons to do with little time to do it. But in my opinion, Obama, Hillary and McCain is not what this country needs right now.

this is a situation we should have never gotten into to begin with. but to pull out now would be a disaster. but for mcain to say we will stay thier for 100 years is not going to sit well with the voters either

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Scus, I am not understanding your question. Could you expand on it a little...thanks.

You said: "In order to have a fair tax system, you should go to a national sales tax. "

I say: ...How do you keep somebody from selling something under the table(not charging the sales tax.) For instance,I have a lot of gold jewelry.The government does not know I have it.How is it gunna know if I sell it without taxing it?

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For instance,I have a lot of gold jewelry.The government does not know I have it.

Oh hell yes they do.
They found it in your left D-cup.
They have cameras in your house.

Remember that time you tried on
that Evening Party dress...? they know.

hope he takes this as a bad joke...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

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In all seriousness, who do/did you have in mind?

I hope that you arent implying that these 3 are the best that we could do? 2 short term senators and a fossil. I think more qualified people want to be CEO of Magna Entertainment than want to be President.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For the people who love this national sales tax stuff,how do you keep people from quietly exchanging product for cash(without telling anybody?)

How do states stop it?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I hope that you arent implying that these 3 are the best that we could do? 2 short term senators and a fossil. I think more qualified people want to be CEO of Magna Entertainment than want to be President.

That had to be what Tie Domi was angling for when he cheated on his wife and seduced Frank's daughter into an affair.

Expierience and qualification are bad things when you're talking about politicans.

To me, the longer they've been around and the more connected they are, the more corrupt they are likely to be.