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Old 04-12-2008, 12:18 PM
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Default West Point/Violette finished

Without much notice or fanfare, West Point yesterday appears to have taken any horses they had with Rick Violette and moved them all to Kiaran McLaughlin...

East Coast rep Rich Cristiano let go as well..
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:20 PM
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Without much notice or fanfare, West Point yesterday appears to have taken any horses they had with Rick Violette and moved them all to Kiaran McLaughlin...
dream rush ?
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:24 PM
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dream rush ?
WPTB sold Dream Rush last fall... Injured currently and still with Violette.
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:47 PM
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Took them too long
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Took them too long
why is that ?
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:12 PM
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why is that ?
Because Violette doesn't win.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:29 PM
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Without much notice or fanfare, West Point yesterday appears to have taken any horses they had with Rick Violette and moved them all to Kiaran McLaughlin...

East Coast rep Rich Cristiano let go as well..
Wonder whats that about? He was Terry Finley's right hand guy for many years!
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Because Violette doesn't win.
i dont have his stats in front of me, but i am pretty sure whenever i am looking at a form or any pp's the guy is normaly around 23 percent, thats not winning ?
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Old 04-12-2008, 07:55 PM
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WP has one more trainer change they need to make to be successful. This was a good move. Took them far too long

No JCC, he never wins when hes supposed. He has good horses and consistantly chokes. He basically sucks
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He is about 15% this year.
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Old 04-12-2008, 11:03 PM
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WP has one more trainer change they need to make to be successful. This was a good move. Took them far too long

No JCC, he never wins when hes supposed. He has good horses and consistantly chokes. He basically sucks
i am drawing a blank on who jcc is ?
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Old 04-13-2008, 12:11 AM
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i am drawing a blank on who jcc is ?
it's you-a typo with the second 'c'
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it's you-a typo with the second 'c'
ok but still who is it ?>
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Old 04-13-2008, 12:33 AM
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ok but still who is it ?>
lol

he was talking to YOU. you're jcc!
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Old 04-13-2008, 01:03 AM
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holy ****, i just finally got it.
time for bed
HAHA LOL
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:52 PM
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Because Violette doesn't win.
Compared to whom? If memory serves me, he won two grade one's (Dream Rush) and a grade two (High Finance) for these connections last year. I don't have statistics in front of me, but Violette's strike rate over the past few years has consistently been between 15-20%. It's comments like these that reinforce the erroneous perception that there are only a handful of trainers that know what to do with a decent horse.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:00 PM
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I for one am a HUGE supporter of Violette. It seems that he has taught all his horses the art of the SUCKUP. Yeah, being able to suckup, while taking alot of money, and still not winning as many of these races as the SUCKUP might indicate, is a sign of a very good trainer.

I might be wrong but I believe he still has Klaravich on board. I mean, Klaravich has to be just about the worst at picking horses out there. They buy 'em, Violette teaches them how to suckup, while sucking up the public's money, and they still can't win. But they're all hyped.

Could you image Lear's Princess in this dude's hands? Enough said.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:06 PM
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Could you image Lear's Princess in this dude's hands? Enough said.
Hasn't Lear's Princess run last in two of her last three starts in McLaughlin's hands? He couldn't do any worse, I suppose.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:17 PM
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Last I checked, she ran Dreaming of Ana to a nose, when that one had it all her own way on the front end, and, most recently, 4th behind DoA on a yielding course.

On the other hand, Titan of Industry, has burned up alot of money sucking up behind REAL horses on the turf. Oh, wait, he did beat that STELLAR maiden field at 8:5, didn't he?

But, personally, the race that sticks out in my mind when it comes to Violette is
Immortal Eyes against The Leopard, sprinting at SAR. IE had everything his own way and quit like a PUNK just before the wire.


Nothing personal with RV. KM is certainly a much better trainer.
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