4/12 (KEE): Blue Grass (Gr. I)

[JJP]

Originally Posted by nfliehman

I dont understand half of what you guys talk about on here lol but Im learning as I go. Alot of helpful info though so thank you guys. Goodluck to all today. With that said I havnt heard much talk about Visionaire. Does he stand a shot to hit the board with the 12 posts he drew?

On that track, wide seems to be the place to be. I thought Gomez made a big mistake in the 3rd trying to dive down toward the inside.

Originally Posted by nfliehman

With that said I havnt heard much talk about Visionaire. Does he stand a shot to hit the board with the 12 posts he drew?

If you check out some other sites you
will see others do like this horse. I suspect
he will be the 3rd choice by the public and would
probably be the 2nd choice with a diff. post. It
may be advantageous is some ways, but I would prefer
a little closer in.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by JJP

THat's on money won, correct? And how much of that was from AP Excellent? Since I started tracking, of 34 AP Indy runners making their first start on synthetic, only 3 won and that returned about $28. That's well below $1.00 returned for every $2 wagered.

Didn't an AP Indy just win the Ashland?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by nfliehman

I dont understand half of what you guys talk about on here lol but Im learning as I go. Alot of helpful info though so thank you guys. Goodluck to all today. With that said I havnt heard much talk about Visionaire. Does he stand a shot to hit the board with the 12 posts he drew?

We don't understand two-thirds of it ourselves so you are ahead of the game.
As for Visionaire, he doesn't seem like a great play to me. He is a decent horse, and the race is wide open, but I think he'll be slightly overbet and might be the type of runner that gets caught wide all the way around in this race.
I'm proabably out of my mind, but I kind of like Monba and Miner's Claim to be factors here, and am using them on a variety of tickets with Cool Coal Man and Big Truck. I'm banking on the fact that Pyro's slow works over this course means he doesn't like the surface and I am leaving him off entirely.

[letswastemoney]

wow pyro sux on polytrack

[ateamstupid]

Gotta love the tires!

[Mike]

Great news for Pyro fans, an off the board finish

[Mike]

I boxed Monba and Pyro;kicking myself now

I bet Union Ave. in the finale

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't really understand how people can be backing Pyro at anything close to even money in a full field when he has no form on synthetics, Pulpits have not done well on synthetics, Lapenta has already said that Stevil is there to get in Pyro's way as much as possible, and he doesn't need the earnings like some others so won't be fully cranked. You already have four horses with decent synthetic/turf form in Monba, Cowboy Cal, Halo Najib, and Medjool that at 15/1+ on the morning line all make for far better plays. Plus if Kentucky Bear goes off anywhere near 50/1 he's a great play. Honestly, I think considering the circumstances that Pyro is only about 50/50 to even hit the board.

I'm a FU<KING MORON. I played those four with Big Fu<king Truck instead of Kentucky Bear.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yes.

I like Monba too.

Saved my bad wager on Big Truck. Whew.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by JJP

THat's on money won, correct? And how much of that was from AP Excellent? Since I started tracking, of 34 AP Indy runners making their first start on synthetic, only 3 won and that returned about $28. That's well below $1.00 returned for every $2 wagered.

no, ap indys top synthetic horse is adriano--one who's probably heading to ky based on his form on anything BUT dirt.
bertrando is one showing good poly #'s, for anyone who is interested.

[miraja2]

I have no idea why people bet Pyro so heavily. As I said before the race (and as anybody with a functioning set of eyes could see) his works there were horrible, and there was really no reason to think he would like this surface.
Sometimes it shocks me how many people still think form from one surface has any significance whatsoever on the other.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I have no idea why people bet Pyro so heavily. As I said before the race (and as anybody with even a functioning set of eyes could see) his works there were horrible, and there was really no reason to think he would like this surface.
Sometimes it shocks me how many people still think form from one surface has any significance whatsoever on the other.

I still would have liked to have seen SOMETHING from him today.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Mike

Great news for Pyro fans, an off the board finish

I guess if you mean just people who plan to bet on the horse in his next start when he returns to dirt, then yeah....it is good news.
If you really meant people that are actually fans of the horse however, I hardly see how watching your horse demonstrate that he sucks on polytrack could be a good thing.
I mean....they do still run races after the Kentucky Derby right?

[Mike]

Yeah, I'd probably steer Pyro away from synthetic tracks in the future if I were in charge, there's still a few natural dirt tracks in the US

[HaloWishingwell]

Actually if I was a PYRO fan I would be concerned. Polytrack is an easy excuse to use for his performance but that was terrible. Not to compare horses but STREET SENSE was known as not as good on poly but at least he was in the same zip code. He had no apparent trouble in the race and is a run horse that showed nothing today. This is not the kind of performance that leads to Derby victories.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Actually if I was a PYRO fan I would be concerned. Polytrack is an easy excuse to use for his performance but that was terrible. Not to compare horses but STREET SENSE was known as not as good on poly but at least he was in the same zip code. He had no apparent trouble in the race and is a run horse that showed nothing today. This is not the kind of performance that leads to Derby victories.

totally agree, he did not run 1 step today, so basicely he's going into the derby off of a layoff of....almost 8 weeks, this race is a total total throw out, so now he in my mind has not raced since march 8th, where in my opinion he beat a weak group then, in a slow time.

i pray they bet this horse hard, i think he could run last.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

totally agree, he did not run 1 step today, so basicely he's going into the derby off of a layoff of....almost 8 weeks, this race is a total total throw out, so now he in my mind has not raced since march 8th, where in my opinion he beat a weak group then, in a slow time.

i pray they bet this horse hard, i think he could run last.

Unless he gets hurt or something else REALLY strange happens during the race, there is absolutely no way that horse finishes last going 10f on the dirt against some of the ones that are sure to be entered in the race.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Unless he gets hurt or something else REALLY strange happens during the race, there is absolutely no way that horse finishes last going 10f on the dirt against some of the ones that are sure to be entered in the race.

I don't expect him to finish last either but despite his terrible race ,he'll be terribly overbet by the wiseguys and perform below his expectations again.

[Danzig]

i would caution against completely tossing pyro in may.

war pass ran a remarkably bad race in the tampa bay derby, and came back to run a pretty strong race in the wood.

pyro has had nothing going wrong on dirt.