hooves derby players.......

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

visonaire matz.. got something out of the blue grass was torpedoed in the first turn..then closed strong

smooth air stuts

runs well every time,getting some long works into em going into the derby


colonel john best of cali and good enough to get in the money


big brown ill key then toss........

liberty bull amoss hopefull didnt run in the last....


thats it and if all goes in derby who ill bet........

[ArlJim78]

your list is almost identical to mine at this point. i hadn't considered Liberty Bull very strongly but he does have a good look.

as of today I'm leaning towards Colonel John or Visionaire on top.

You guys seriously toss Pyro?

The Bluegrass told you that much about the horse?
Or you never liked him before?

And all of this will change a great deal with the
infamous workouts before, and Post position draw.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

hes ok....but ive never thought he was the super horse.....big browns speed is just too good....but dont know about the dist.. war pass cant get there to me..........they saved em in the bluegrass pgrdn.but hes been going backwards for a the last few ..though winning......

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

hes ok....but ive never thought he was the super horse.....big browns speed is just too good....but dont know about the dist.. war pass cant get there to me..........they saved em in the bluegrass pgrdn.but hes been going backwards for a the last few ..though winning......

Big Brown will be tested in a severe manner I believe. There are a number of horses that will be running the first 7f like he might. It is said Brown can rate, off the pace or be right up with the leaders. There are a lot of horses that seem to be able to do this. I guess what I am saying is there appear to be horses that fit 3 major categories of style. Right now I dont think the race sets up great for any particular horse. And I think Browns preferred style (who can tell after so few races), is present in competitors. But who knows, he may be that much better.

So you think Pyro was going south before the Bluegrass?
Others think he is precocious(sp?) and had reached his peak as a 3yo.
But you hear they thought this after the Bluegrass. Discussed it before,
but then write about it after the Bluegrass.

[ateamstupid]

Liberty Bull doesn't have the earnings.

Good list though. My list is mostly the same, but I'm not as high on Visionaire as you are.

[hockey2315]

Liberty Bull isn't going. Personally I don't see the appeal of Visionaire. His one big race was on a wet track in the fog and the horse he barely beat didn't run a step next out. He's also a Grand Slam so that doesn't bode well for 10F. Smooth Air has a good shot to hit the board but I doubt he wins.

I like Denis of Cork and Cool Coal Man as my price horses but think most of the favorites are solid. I'll probably use DofC, CCM, Pyro, Colonel John, Tale of Ekati, and Big Brown (defensively) in the PK4.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Liberty Bull isn't going. Personally I don't see the appeal of Visionaire. His one big race was on a wet track in the fog and the horse he barely beat didn't run a step next out. He's also a Grand Slam so that doesn't bode well for 10F. Smooth Air has a good shot to hit the board but I doubt he wins.

I like Denis of Cork and Cool Coal Man as my price horses but think most of the favorites are solid. I'll probably use DofC, CCM, Pyro, Colonel John, Tale of Ekati, and Big Brown (defensively) in the PK4.

wait... what about.... court vision,cowboy cal, and monba ???

[hockey2315]

You know how I feel about those three.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

wait... what about.... court vision,cowboy cal, and monba ???

I honestly think Pletcher wouldn't be sending Cowboy Cal if it was a typical year where he had 3-4 other derby-worthy horses. But being that he and Monba are his only two, he's giving it a shot.

I like court Vision, but I think I may key him in 3rd and 4th in some tris and supers. I just don't see him having enough speed to suck up past 3rd.

Monba I do like. Plus, I believe he broke his maiden going 2 turns at Churchill so he's not just a synthetic runner.
If you toss the Fountain of Youth, where he obviously had excuses, he would be near the top of many people's list.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You know how I feel about those three.

i do not understand your feelings towards cowboy cal
maybe the other 2, but cowboy cal ?
sit 3-6, get first run on the leaders, jv opens him up, closers cant get to him

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I honestly think Pletcher wouldn't be sending Cowboy Cal if it was a typical year where he had 3-4 other derby-worthy horses. But being that he and Monba are his only two, he's giving it a shot.

I like court Vision, but I think I may key him in 3rd and 4th in some tris and supers. I just don't see him having enough speed to suck up past 3rd.

Monba I do like. Plus, I believe he broke his maiden going 2 turns at Churchill so he's not just a synthetic runner.
If you toss the Fountain of Youth, where he obviously had excuses, he would be near the top of many people's list.

wow... would not be sending the second place finisher of the bluegrass ? who ran against a bias, it was mostly closers yesterday

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

wow... would not be sending the second place finisher of the bluegrass ? who ran against a bias, it was mostly closers yesterday

There's no such thing as a bias on polytrack. It changes every race.

Cowboy Cal is slow. Reminds me of Cowtown Cat.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

There's no such thing as a bias on polytrack. It changes every race.

Cowboy Cal is slow. Reminds me of Cowtown Cat.

cowtown cat... thats funny.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Liberty Bull doesn't have the earnings.

Good list though. My list is mostly the same, but I'm not as high on Visionaire as you are.

he doesent?.....348k.........

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

he doesent?.....348k.........

Sunland's race isn't graded.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

wow... would not be sending the second place finisher of the bluegrass ? who ran against a bias, it was mostly closers yesterday

Please... stop. You need to take a breather. You've reached your posting lunacy quoto for the week...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Cowboy Cal is slow. Reminds me of Cowtown Cat.

Yes, but he is sired by Giant's Causeway.....

Doesn't that alone entitle him to be a great horse who can do anything and beat anyone?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

There's no such thing as a bias on polytrack. It changes every race.

Cowboy Cal is slow. Reminds me of Cowtown Cat.

I disagree about the bias, it was closer strong for the first couple days, yesterday speed did pretty well.

I don't know what to say about this reference of Cowboy Cal to Cowtown Cat.

Don't you think Cowboy Cal could do some damage in the turf, where he belongs? Cowtown Cat hasn't won a race since I don't think, couldn't even win at Morty Downs

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Wow, I really have figured out why PG likes Cowboy Cal so much....

Not only is he sired by Giant's Causeway....

But he is very closely related to Commontator in his tail-female family.

PG's favorite stallion and his favorite active race horse!