DERBY NOTES (4/24-25): 'Spell' to Oaks only..

[Kasept]

Big Brown has his penultimate scheduled workout (Palm Meadows) today. The Rick Dutrow trainee will not arrive at CD until Monday...

Cool Coal Man works this morning at Churc hill after the break (8:30am).. It is his last serious drill preparing for Derby..

Most Churchill based Derby horses will gallop today:

Adriano
Anak Nakal (works Friday)
Col. John
Court Vision
Denis of Cork
Gayego
Halo Najib (jogging only)
Pyro
Recapturetheglory
Smooth Air
Z Fortune
Z Humor

Smooth Air's gallop girl (Suzie) will give way to his specified workout rider (Jody) for his last pre-Derby workout on Sunday. Jody, who works at Calder as a mutuel in the afternoon, is being flown in Saturday night for the workout and then heads back to Miami. Jody is no stranger to preparing horses for big races, having been picked up casually to gallop and exercise LOST IN THE FOG by Greg Gilchrist. Her work on LITF so pleased Gilchrist, that whenever 'Fog' came to the East Coast to race, Jody was flown in to work him in the mornings...

Visionaire, as well as Eight Belles and Proud Spell, are scheduled to arrive at Churchill Friday from Keeneland...

More notes after the busy morning...

[Kasept]

Big Brown sizzled in a sharp :58+ five-eighths move earlier this morning at Palm Meadows Training Center, his last serious work before the Derby. Rick Dutrow, reached by DRF's Mike Welsch, said while the work was faster than he was looking for, he was not concerned about it being 'too fast"

Big Brown is scheduled for a likely 3f blow out over the Churchill surface sometime next week.

[booner]

What do you think about him not getting one work over the CD surface?

[Mike]

From a DRF article yesterday:

There were no Derby workers on Wednesday. The morning's most impressive performance by a Derby candidate came from the Illinois Derby winner, Recapturetheglory, who galloped a strong two miles, keeping a straight and true course down the center of the track throughout both tours of the one-mile oval.

Trainer Louie Roussel Jr. was so taken by the performance that he immediately notified the media that he had canceled the work he had scheduled for Recapturetheglory on Thursday morning. Roussel pushed the drill back to Saturday, weather permitting.

"He's doing so well now he doesn't need two more works before the Derby," Roussel said.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by booner

What do you think about him not getting one work over the CD surface?

Not a big issue really. Giacomo and Funny Cide didn't have works here as recent examples that come to mind.

Bigger issue for the horses that aren't 'dirt' experienced.

As an example, Colonel John and Adriano both were on track today and looked good. Adriano cantered lightly and I only saw the Santa Anita Derby winner stand, but he makes a grand impression. Their works on the CD strip will be more important than Big Brown not working over it.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by booner

What do you think about him not getting one work over the CD surface?

I think a workout or race over a surface is overrated. Either he's going to like the track or he isn't. If he's going to like it, he won't need a work over it beforehand. If he isn't going to like it, I think it's better to not work on it first. There's a school of thought that says if a horse doesn't like a surface, his best effort over it will come in the first one because whatever it is they don't like about the track, they remember it the second time. Say for instance, a track stings their feet. They remember that the next time and run a poorer race.

[booner]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not a big issue really. Giacomo and Funny Cide didn't have works here as recent examples that come to mind.

Bigger issue for the horses that aren't 'dirt' experienced.

As an example, Colonel John and Adriano both were on track today and looked good. Adriano cantered lightly and I only saw the Santa Anita Derby winner stand, but he makes a grand impression. Their works on the CD strip will be more important than Big Brown not working over it.

I knew Giacomo didn't work @ CD, but didn't realize Funny Cide had not.

Very interested in Colonel John's work this weekend. This from the DRF caught my eye:

Colonel John had his second opportunity to try the Churchill Downs strip on a warm, sun-drenched morning shortly after the renovation break on Wednesday. And while the gallop went without incident, Colonel John, a well-made son of Tiznow, gave the appearance he still might not be completely comfortable over the surface. He strode along more like he was still testing and acclimating himself to the new footing rather than reaching out, as one would expect he usually does over familiar ground back home.

[Kasept]

Now that he's here, watch for Mike Welsch's workout patrol reports. Few can tell us how a horse is handling the surface better then Mike.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not a big issue really. Giacomo and Funny Cide didn't have works here as recent examples that come to mind.

Bigger issue for the horses that aren't 'dirt' experienced.

As an example, Colonel John and Adriano both were on track today and looked good. Adriano cantered lightly and I only saw the Santa Anita Derby winner stand, but he makes a grand impression. Their works on the CD strip will be more important than Big Brown not working over it.

Thanks for the info, Steve ... I'm hoping Colonel John takes to the dirt surface.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Thanks for the info, Steve ... I'm hoping Colonel John takes to the dirt surface.

He that lives upon hope will die fasting.~benjamin franklin.


i like col john, have him in my rttr....but .....

[slotdirt]

Thanks for doing all of this, Steve. I love reading Haskin's reports on TBH, but I don't know if you always get the greatest of evaluations in those articles as nearly every horse moves well and has a great looking coat.

[mac attack]

where can i find mike welsch's patrol reports? i think they will give me a good idea on the horses i would like to eliminate in my tri for the derby. thanks

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by mac attack

where can i find mike welsch's patrol reports? i think they will give me a good idea on the horses i would like to eliminate in my tri for the derby. thanks

DRF in the Derby Section..

[hockey2315]

Here's the link: http://www.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby/...r/clocker.html

[whodey17]

Here is a nice read.

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44790

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

He that lives upon hope will die fasting.~benjamin franklin.


i like col john, have him in my rttr....but .....

One more mention of your RTTR, Zeig. One more..

Is there really that big a difference between dirt and synthetic surfaces?? I have walked the tracks at Turfway and Keeneland and they seem predominately dirt with carpet and tire fragments mixed in. Obviously these substances would lessen the concussive shock but they still seem pretty similar to a dirt surface in terms of footing. Big Brown 5F in 58. Pretty fast but Hard Spun worked 5F in 57 last year and ran a bang up race. Was BB ridden by a jockey or a larger ex rider???

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by inquiry

Is there really that big a difference between dirt and synthetic surfaces?? I have walked the tracks at Turfway and Keeneland and they seem predominately dirt with carpet and tire fragments mixed in. Obviously these substances would lessen the concussive shock but they still seem pretty similar to a dirt surface in terms of footing. Big Brown 5F in 58. Pretty fast but Hard Spun worked 5F in 57 last year and ran a bang up race. Was BB ridden by a jockey or a larger ex rider???

ENORMOUS. The racing evidence has shown some synthetics to be as different from dirt as grass is. Keenland used to get 40% wire jobs in routes but the first spring on poly delievered less than 5%. That doesn't mean all synthetics are the same and it doesn't mean a horse can't handle both, but you can't consider them the same.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

One more mention of your RTTR, Zeig. One more..

sorry...wasn't trying to be tiresome, just wanted to point out i guess that i do like the horse.
but for the derby? maybe not so much, especially if he's not showing he's comfortable on what is to him a very foreign surface.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by inquiry

Is there really that big a difference between dirt and synthetic surfaces?? I have walked the tracks at Turfway and Keeneland and they seem predominately dirt with carpet and tire fragments mixed in. Obviously these substances would lessen the concussive shock but they still seem pretty similar to a dirt surface in terms of footing. Big Brown 5F in 58. Pretty fast but Hard Spun worked 5F in 57 last year and ran a bang up race. Was BB ridden by a jockey or a larger ex rider???

there isn't a bit of dirt in a synthetic mix. it's silica sand mixed with fibers and such. you have to consider it as a separate surface. it's not comparable to dirt, other than it isn't green!!