Larry Jones gets first drug positive ever

[Riot]

So do trainers have to all hire private nightwatch now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/21/sp...s/21jones.html

NY Times, Joe Drape, dateline June 21,2008

Two of the most outspoken critics on the use of drugs in horse racing recently had a colt of their own fail a drug test, a result that they are saying was sabotage. Larry Jones, who trained the late filly Eight Belles, and Jim Squires, the breeder of 2001 Kentucky Derby winner Monarchos, were notified on Tuesday that Stones River had tested positive for illegal levels of clenbuterol, a bronchodilator that helps burn fat and promote muscle growth, after a race on June 8 at Delaware Park.

“That a Two Bucks Stable horse in his care has become the first drug positive in his career in the highly charged atmosphere during the week of a congressional investigation focusing on drugs and safety in horse racing is highly suspicious,” Squires said in a written statement. “It reeks of a deliberate effort to impugn our credibility on the subject of drugs and damage the reputation of a highly successful trainer who has been unfairly and mistakenly blamed by a few critics outside the industry for the death of Eight Belles.”

[Kasept]

May be Delaware's first drug positive ever...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

May be Delaware's first drug positive ever...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Riot

So do trainers have to all hire private nightwatch now?

Jones had a filly in his care at Delaware at the end of last years meet found spounged - I would say that would have been the time for him to consider it.

What is he - something like 29-for-64 at the Delaware meet?

He should take the days and tell his owner to shut up.

Aren't steroids now banned at Delaware? It's funny, a high percentage guy at PID who is doing pretty well told me he doubled up on the amount of clenbuterol he normally gives his horses instead of using steroids - which are now banned.

Blaming an overage of clenbuterol on sabatoge sounds almost hilarious.

Rumor has it a guy named Franklin was seen in Jones' barn that day.

[Riot]

Delaware has been testing for EPO antibodies since 2003. Milkshakes since 2006. They jumped and adopted the RMTC steroid testing and penalties before we even can measure levels.

So you guys are saying they really don't test, or they ignore positives?

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Kasept

May be Delaware's first drug positive ever...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Since coming to Delaware for career start #4 - Stones River won a MSW with a 10 horse field by 4.25 lengths and paid $10.20

Career start #5 was the race he was supposedly sabotaged in - and holy mother of God did he step it up a notch.

Looking like a cinch to win the Travers, Stones River closed from last and unleashed a monster turn of foot to win by 9.25 lengths, in hand, and pay $7.40 as the co second choice in a field of 7.

The even money favorite checked in 2nd. The 3rd place finisher, a 5/2 shot, was 3rd beaten 13.25 lengths. The final time was a supersonic 1:41.13 for a mile and 70 yards.

There were two other dirt route races on the card - the first of which was won by a horse who needed 1:51.32 to get 8.5 furlongs. That translates to the winner running a mere 72 Beyer points less than Stones River.

The other route race, was won by the hard hitting Peter Walder trained Pyramyst, a 6/5 favorite, in 1:43.16 for the mile and 70 yards. The final time was over 2 full seconds slower! Pyramyst scored her 6th consecutive win in the 46K alw race - the feature on the card. Her Beyer was only 20 points less than Stones River.

That was some fine work by the PETA folks - not only did they sabotage both Jones and Squires right before the congress hearings - but if they are that skilled at juicing horses - they had to cash a monster bet offshore on that horse and use the profits to buy stock in CDI!

[blackthroatedwind]

I know I'm shocked.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

So do trainers have to all hire private nightwatch now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/21/sp...s/21jones.html

i guess he thought saying i've been set up ( bitch set me up~marion berry) was better than the 'do you think i'm stupid?' defense.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Does anyone know what Beyers Pyramyst and Snowydeelite got on June 8th at Del?

[Cannon Shell]

I would be interested to know what the level of clenbuterol was found. If it is a just a touch over the level allowed it would be hard to make a case that this was a set up.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would be interested to know what the level of clenbuterol was found. If it is a just a touch over the level allowed it would be hard to make a case that this was a set up.

and that's probably all it was--horse was given it too soon prior to the race, didn't metabolize it all, and tested positive.


no, that can't be it. it's obviously a huge conspiracy.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It certainly smells like a PETA betting coup to me.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It certainly smells like a PETA betting coup to me.

You wouldn't know a betting coup if you were part of it...Obviously it's a faulty test!

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess he thought saying i've been set up ( bitch set me up~marion berry) was better than the 'do you think i'm stupid?' defense.

Larry Jones is one of my favorite trainers. I am not saying that he and a few others have a medication edge at Delaware park. Im just defending my man Marion Barry. C'mon he was put into an unfair situation. Nobody is perfect.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You wouldn't know a betting coup if you were part of it...Obviously it's a faulty test!

I don't know man, I still think PETA scored out.

They have the really good stuff when it comes to hopping horses.

[Bobby Fischer]

Seriously though, he is a great horseman. His wife? really does a nice job as well with the horses. She is there talking to them, and you can tell they have a hands on approach with their best stock. It isn't just a stern "push a horse HARD" atmosphere, they have some emotional involvement. Larry is one of the better at working a horse before a race. If there is any weakness in his game it's getting jockeys that suit his horses styles. I am not a GAbe Saez expert, except that he gets the job done when he has the most horse which is a pretty good trait to have.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know man, I still think PETA scored out.

They have the really good stuff when it comes to hopping horses.

I am a proud member of PETA and have Pamela and her assets pinned up next to Easy Goer and Sunday Silience's Preakness in my office

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Seriously though, he is a great horseman. His wife? really does a nice job as well with the horses. She is there talking to them, and you can tell they have a hands on approach with their best stock. It isn't just a stern "push a horse HARD" atmosphere, they have some emotional involvement. Larry is one of the better at working a horse before a race. If there is any weakness in his game it's getting jockeys that suit his horses styles. I am not a GAbe Saez expert, except that he gets the job done when he has the most horse which is a pretty good trait to have.

Have a heart