Jeremy Rose

[philcski]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Can I ask a question? In all seriousness, is it not at all even remotely possible that the whip in question was an accident? If Rose comes out and says it was an accident, do we just completely dismiss it? Again, I know I'll get slammed again for even asking the question, but I don't understand why folks won't even consider that there is perhaps another side to the story.

I heard Alan Foreman say on the ATR tonight that Rose will "do whatever is right," or something to that effect. What does that actually mean anyway?

Unless he went to whip, the horse bucked or bolted or something mid-swing, and he completely misfired due to that, it's almost impossible to miss your target by 5 feet (not to mention in FRONT of your body versus behind.) It was a bad decision in the heat of the moment, and will haunt him for the rest of his life. I feel bad for both horse and rider.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

honestly, I have no clue how anyone could watch that and think that it was an accident that the whip hit the horse in the head...then a couple extra taps for good measure as well.

i guess i just want to think no one is this cruel.... its a horrible thing, but its hard for me to beleive that he did this on purpose.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

honestly, I have no clue how anyone could watch that and think that it was an accident that the whip hit the horse in the head...then a couple extra taps for good measure as well.

I tend to agree. It looks like he whacked her for good measure as they were passing the wire.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

am i being banned again for nothing ?

I do not know your complete history of your posts here, but one thing I do know is, this is a highly charged topic one that an awful alot of people care about. One has to excercise some "common sense" and "tact" with when conversing with others in a community, you have to think sometimes before you hit the post button.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by CSC

I do not know your complete history of your posts here, but one thing I do know is, this is a highly charged topic one that an awful alot of people care about. One has to excercise some "common sense" and "tact" with when conversing with others in a community, you have to think sometimes before you hit the post button.

i know.... its just hard for me to understand how this can be the topic of the day... we should be focusing on other parts of the sport... the horses, the racing... pick 6 carryover's... not this horrible incident

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

As I said, I knew I was going to get slammed for it. God forbid someone take an opinion other than the popular one. You could use a little work on tact, however.

For the record, I didn't take any offense to your post. You stated your opinion and I'm fine with that.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i know.... its just hard for me to understand how this can be the topic of the day... we should be focusing on other parts of the sport... the horses, the racing... pick 6 carryover's... not this horrible incident

I get your sentiment (I think), but when a jockey nearly takes out his mount's eye with a whip.. That's probably worth 'topic of the day' status on a Tuesday.

[Oaklawnfan]

I find this very disturbing and really bad news if it is true. It doesn't look good to me, so I am sure it doesn't look good to others. Frankly, maybe I am naive, but I would have never expected this out of Jeremy.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i know.... its just hard for me to understand how this can be the topic of the day... we should be focusing on other parts of the sport... the horses, the racing... pick 6 carryover's... not this horrible incident

This isn't the only thread here

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i know.... its just hard for me to understand how this can be the topic of the day... we should be focusing on other parts of the sport... the horses, the racing... pick 6 carryover's... not this horrible incident

Look there have been posts which resemble two broads posting their am i hot or not pictures on a miley cyrus fan forum and asking the rest of the forum which is hotter.

This topic is far more important than that.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I get your sentiment (I think), but when a jockey nearly takes out his mount's eye with a whip.. That's probably worth 'topic of the day' status on a Tuesday.

i will be honest...
i have always loved rose... way way before afleet alex.... i have always found him underated, and thought he could ride at any meet in usa. i love betting him, i bet him pretty good on Lady Digby this past weekend.
maybe i should not post in this thread anymore, i do not mean to offend anyone, and there is no excuse for what he did... i just hope somehow it was a accident

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Look there have been posts which resemble two broads posting their am i hot or not pictures on a miley cyrus fan forum and asking the rest of the forum which is hotter.

This topic is far more important than that.

your right...
hey your a funny guy...
did you see the shaq freestyle ?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by CSC

For the record, I didn't take any offense to your post. You stated your opinion and I'm fine with that.

Same here.

I don't agree, think he (Rose) should be banned for a long-ass time, but no problem reading the opinions of people who have a different take.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I get your sentiment (I think), but when a jockey nearly takes out his mount's eye with a whip.. That's probably worth 'topic of the day' status on a Tuesday.

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday etc......

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm biased obviously, since I like the jock, but even with the head on, I think there's at least a chance the guy didn't do it with intent.

like him or not, he had no business hitting a horse in the head. i could see him getting more than six months, since the horse is now permanently 50% sightless due to his sheer stupidity and cruelty.
and yes, it was cruel. no beating around the bush with this one.


it's darkest before the dawn, right? so how much more will be piled on in this sport in the weeks and months to come?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

I believe he is known for having a temper though and he will be known as an animal abuser after this. The new face for whatever sick PETA campaign is upcoming.

sure doesn't help when people who live off the sport give peta fuel for the fire.

peta isn't sick in this instance, but a jocks behavior certainly is.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I tend to agree. It looks like he whacked her for good measure as they were passing the wire.

That is what I saw ... A belated swat that the mare reeled from ...

Both the winner and Rose's mare were all over the track in the stretch ... Rose was moving on the outside whipping right handed, when the winner drifted out, and Rose's mare veered in ..

Rose switched the whip to the left, and nothing looked too amiss until the wire ...

Had Rose's mare been bearing in uncontrollably to the point of danger to herself, Rose, and the field, hitting her in the head is an ugly last resort, but better than flipping over the rail or racking up the field behind her in doing so ...

I have seen horses hit on the side of the head while bearing in or out uncontrollably as a last ditch measure ...

I do not know if this was the case here, but it looked like the mare was ok on the rail and got a punitive crack in the face ... Maybe , maybe not ...

It looked bad enough for the stewards to take measures, but I'd rather hear a final answer before I make a final judgement ...

It is, however, inargueable, that racing does not need this, and neither did the poor mare ...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan

I find this very disturbing and really bad news if it is true. It doesn't look good to me, so I am sure it doesn't look good to others. Frankly, maybe I am naive, but I would have never expected this out of Jeremy.

I think we are all waiting for Jeremy's response, in all fairness I want to reserve judgement until we hear what he has to say. One would have to hope there will be some sort of remorse or apology, and not the scripted response kind. I think most of us want to know where his head is at and if this will be a lesson learned the hard...no let's say unfortunate way.

[ELA]

This is a clear cut situation. It is very bad. Intent doesn't matter. Rose has to be held accountable for his actions. Is there a "his side of the story" so to speak? Possibly. Victor Carrero didn't have a "his side of the story" -- he did what he did out of anger, frustration, etc. -- and no offense, that didn't mean a thing. He faced the music for his actions. I understand the "other side" and how that can play out, but that doesn't justify or explain this type of action.

It doesn't matter if it was a cheap claimer or a stake horse. I don't care. Nobody else should either. It doesn't matter. I don't care what PETA has to say -- I don't need them telling me this was wrong, or bad, or whatever. I certainly don't need them furthering their own, and often uneducated, agenda by distorting truths. Handing out punishments due to public pressure or duress, educated or not, can be very dangerous. OTOH, it can cut both ways. The educated public, people in the business, etc. must know that regulatory bodies are serious and that there is bite behind the bark. Perhaps though, you can never satisfy the uneducated public. You can't increase penalties because you are afraid of "what people might think" -- or else you are not governing with confidence and integrity; you are governing for popularity. Doing what is right means sometimes doing what is unpopular.

Unfortuantely, often, there can be no standard. You want to tell me there should be a minimum -- OK, I see that. A minimum of X days, y dollar fine, anger management, community/backstretch service, etc. -- OK, that's fine. In our own legal systems, we have sentencing guidelines, mandatory sentences, graduated sentencing, etc. Perhaps we need that within our own "system" for our sport.

Eric

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Soon enough..

YAAAAAAY