P Val in Trouble Again

I mean the guy just decided to do something that he knew was gonna cost him his livliehood and his passion. Hes already been publicly humiliated so many times and I can't even imagine how he must feel right now. Then hes gotta have his dr./patient privacy violated? This is wrong, plain and simple wrong. Hes not on probation or parole, hes a US citizen. Since when does that board have the right to violate his rights? If hes in a center the whole thing should have been confidential than dealt with at a later date. This smells of vindictiveness and its a travesty. Announcing this serves no purpose and helps noone and does noone any good. I do not see the purpose of violating the guys privacy. Is it really as important as people trying to blow up planes?

[SentToStud]

Well, he's in a tough spot. I suppose it's part of the licensing process that all jockeys agree to testing and it's probably a condition of his numerous reinstatements that allows for the kind of scrutiny he's now under.

Jockeys have stress like everyone. However, they do not have the opportunity to enjoy food and water as do most people. So, it's not surprising many riders develop substance abuse problems.

I sure hope he licks his problems, whatever they are.

Personally, I think the CHRB has better things to be concerned about than PV, namely figuring how to fill a simple 2-turn N1X dirt race and the implementation and potential effect of running on artificial dirt.

How the hell they handle $15 mil on a Saturday out there with what they're running is a mystery to me.

By the way Tim, remind me never to move to California. Apparently out there some board of people who watch horse racing have the right to supersede rights guranteed to you by the US Constitution and violate the sanctity of Dr/Patient privilege. That doesn't sound like a place I wanna live in. If that was tried in NY you can bet your ass that one of the thousands of viciously good lawyers would sue someone, and sue them good.

Man, you guys are way too soft. I could care less about PVal seeking help on his own. The man shouldnt be riding if he is on coke. It is plain and simple. And I believe that PVal and the CHRB agreed that the CHRB could test PVAL at any point in time. They only go to his home after he doesnt show up for his test. I am positive that no US Constituional rights have been violated. Kick him out of racing. If a horse tests positive kick the trainer out of racing and fine the owner $1mm.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Man, you guys are way too soft. I could care less about PVal seeking help on his own. The man shouldnt be riding if he is on coke. It is plain and simple. And I believe that PVal and the CHRB agreed that the CHRB could test PVAL at any point in time. They only go to his home after he doesnt show up for his test. I am positive that no US Constituional rights have been violated. Kick him out of racing. If a horse tests positive kick the trainer out of racing and fine the owner $1mm.

Last time I checked we didn't have gulags and last time I checked Dr/Patient confidentiality privileges still applied. Now if they went to test him and he was in a health facility they had no MOTHER****** right to announce or leak anything to anyone. NONE. They do hav the right to ask him for an explanation or a test when he gets out and ban him, but since he or his gaent didn't leak this, who did? No way this doesn't stem from the board who tried to test him. Its bull**** and its wrong. No horse racing board has the legal authority to violate his rights and his confidentialty and privacy privileges. legal authorities and law enforcement members do but not a horse racing board.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Last time I checked we didn't have gulags and last time I checked Dr/Patient confidentiality privileges still applied. Now if they went to test him and he was in a health facility they had no MOTHER****** right to announce or leak anything to anyone. NONE. They do hav the right to ask him for an explanation or a test when he gets out and ban him, but since he or his gaent didn't leak this, who did? No way this doesn't stem from the board who tried to test him. Its bull**** and its wrong. No horse racing board has the legal authority to violate his rights and his confidentialty and privacy privileges. legal authorities and law enforcement members do but not a horse racing board.

Sure they do. And what Dr/Patient privilege was violated?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Man, you guys are way too soft. I could care less about PVal seeking help on his own. The man shouldnt be riding if he is on coke. It is plain and simple. And I believe that PVal and the CHRB agreed that the CHRB could test PVAL at any point in time. They only go to his home after he doesnt show up for his test. I am positive that no US Constituional rights have been violated. Kick him out of racing. If a horse tests positive kick the trainer out of racing and fine the owner $1mm.

So Euro lemme get this straight. If you check into a health center down in Ky to have something done, lets say you got the clap and had to go and get a penicillin shot, the Kentucky Horse Racing board could waltz in and ask for this info and leak it? I guess I don't live in the USA that you do. If a guy goes to get mental or medical help in the USA I live in he has rights that apply to confidentialty and its noone's business.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Sure they do. And what Dr/Patient privilege was violated?

Well since no statement was given by Pval, his lawyer or his agent, it wasn't them who leaked this. Now who did? Give me a break, you can try and play devil's advocate if you wish but noone is going to believe that a board member didn't leak this. And thats 10000% unethical.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Last time I checked we didn't have gulags and last time I checked Dr/Patient confidentiality privileges still applied. Now if they went to test him and he was in a health facility they had no MOTHER****** right to announce or leak anything to anyone. NONE. They do hav the right to ask him for an explanation or a test when he gets out and ban him, but since he or his gaent didn't leak this, who did? No way this doesn't stem from the board who tried to test him. Its bull**** and its wrong. No horse racing board has the legal authority to violate his rights and his confidentialty and privacy privileges. legal authorities and law enforcement members do but not a horse racing board.

Are you an attorney?

Originally Posted by Society Selection

Are you an attorney?

No, but I think its pretty clear that he got screwed by someone. You don't have to be an attorney to know that Dr/Patient privileges apply and unless the CHRB has the authority to walk up to citizens and arrest them, I don't think they have the power to violate his rights. Call me nuts but I kinda love the whole USA and freedoms and rights thing that we have had going for 230 years. I think its kind nice to have those.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

So Euro lemme get this straight. If you check into a health center down in Ky to have something done, lets say you got the clap and had to go and get a penicillin shot, the Kentucky Horse Racing board could waltz in and ask for this info and leak it? I guess I don't live in the USA that you do. If a guy goes to get mental or medical help in the USA I live in he has rights that apply to confidentialty and its noone's business.

You're right about that. The CHRB has the right to request a sample and they also have the right to deny his license. But that's it. Was this in the press? I doubt it is because it's not publishable unless PV agrees to it being published. Probably backstretch rumor, though likely true. Still neither worthy nor appropriate to publsh.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You're right about that. The CHRB has the right to request a sample and they also have the right to deny his license. But that's it. Was this in the press? I doubt it is because it's not publishable unless PV agrees to it being published. Probably backstretch rumor, though likely true. Still neither worthy nor appropriate to publsh.

Thats the summation Bruce of what I am saying. Noone is arguing that they have the right to ask for a sample and yank his liscense. But where else was the rumor started? Its not hard to make a guess is it?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Society Selection

Are you an attorney?

No...but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Originally Posted by oracle80

So Euro lemme get this straight. If you check into a health center down in Ky to have something done, lets say you got the clap and had to go and get a penicillin shot, the Kentucky Horse Racing board could waltz in and ask for this info and leak it? I guess I don't live in the USA that you do. If a guy goes to get mental or medical help in the USA I live in he has rights that apply to confidentialty and its noone's business.

I dont think the CHRB has stated anything. I think this is all specualtion. So the CHRB hasnt done anything wrong. Plus I wouldnt go to a facility in KY--lol.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well since no statement was given by Pval, his lawyer or his agent, it wasn't them who leaked this. Now who did? Give me a break, you can try and play devil's advocate if you wish but noone is going to believe that a board member didn't leak this. And thats 10000% unethical.

Well the USA I live in is one that a person is innocent until proven guilty. I dont think we live in the same USA.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well the USA I live in is one that a person is innocent until proven guilty. I dont think we live in the same USA.

Where have I ever said anything to the contrary?

I'm not sure how his *doctor/patient* privilege was violated. Anything that is being said in this thread is just rumor and supposition.

[2MinsToPost]

P Val brought a lot of this on himself when he agreed to the lengthy interview piece that he did with DRF back a couple years ago.

The bottomline is that there should e NO tolerence for drugs in our sport, especially for the riders.....just my opinion.....he dug his own hole and now must live with the pressure for the rest of his riding career.....plus, it is not like he was a one-time, minor offender....he has a long ad harsh history with narcotics and we don't need that in our game...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

we don't need that in our game...

They have been in the game probably since it started. It is a part that is never going away.