World wants Obama

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Just come out and say I don't want anyone or any deity trying to put rules on me that don't allow me to do as I want...that would be telling the truth!

Not entirely. I don't want anyone's personal interpretation of religion to be imposed on others. This country was founded on Freedom of Religion and it should stay that way.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Obama will be Pelosi's lap dog. It will be a disaster.

She will tie him in knots...she's from Frisco!

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And I will trump you with your plastic butplug and SUMITAS!

And I'll take the pot with a VHS cassette of Fried Green Tomatoes and Hickory Hill Hoff after a weekend of Saratoga and High Life.

[Mike]

I live in Vermont where we have gay marriages(and divorces). I'm fine with civil unions for gays, but not marriage

Recently, I inquired at my local Episcopal church, wether my girlfriend and I could get married in the eyes of God, but not in the view of the U.S. government. The answer was yes, we could have the religious ceremony, but not file papers with the "authorities". My point is they can be seen as two separate things, and though I'm fine with homosexuality, I don't think they should be married. I believe marriage is a religious-cultural construct that exists in order to keep the family unit together.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Not entirely. I don't want anyone's personal interpretation of religion to be imposed on others. This country was founded on Freedom of Religion and it should stay that way.

Freedom from STATE Religion was the idea(England was the model) Free exchange of open thought isn't infringing on the Halls of Govt.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Freedom from STATE Religion was the idea(England was the model) Free exchange of open thought isn't infringing on the Halls of Govt.

Jesus is the biggest proponent of welfare in all of history, yet the religious right chooses to ignore that while using selective sections of the Bible to try and impose their personal agendas on the masses.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

And I'll take the pot with a VHS cassette of Fried Green Tomatoes and Hickory Hill Hoff after a weekend of Saratoga and High Life.

Okay...

I cant mess with that.

[dalakhani]

Watch it sniperr...

Timmi steals lines from foxnews and takes viagra and lies about it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Jesus is the biggest proponent of welfare in all of history, yet the religious right chooses to ignore that while using selective sections of the Bible to try and impose their personal agendas on the masses.

Not correct! The Bible says if you don't work you don't eat, and readily provides that widows and orphans be taken care of by church leadership. Please give me the scorecard on who's in the RR and imposing the beliefs on the masses.....just the ones in Congress who control the actual pursestrings

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Watch it sniperr...

Timmi steals lines from foxnews and takes viagra and lies about it.

tell a lie enough times and somebody will believe it

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Not entirely. I don't want anyone's personal interpretation of religion to be imposed on others. This country was founded on Freedom of Religion and it should stay that way.

[Antitrust32]

Just because I am voting for John McCain does not mean I agree with with all things republican. I agree with John McCain on the issues I feel are most important.

I also believe John McCain has tons more experience and poise then the other candidate and is the best man to become President of the Unites States of America.

I also do not think this election is between the "lesser of two evils". I feel neither McCain or Obama are evil in any way. They are both great Americans. I just agree with one's policy better than the others.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Just because I am voting for John McCain does not mean I agree with with all things republican. I agree with John McCain on the issues I feel are most important.

I also believe John McCain has tons more experience and poise then the other candidate and is the best man to become President of the Unites States of America.

I also do not think this election is between the "lesser of two evils". I feel neither McCain or Obama are evil in any way. They are both great Americans. I just agree with one's policy better than the others.

And what policies are those? I think its interesting that a middle class person would actually appreciate McCain's tax policy more than Obama's.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And what policies are those? I think its interesting that a middle class person would actually appreciate McCain's tax policy more than Obama's.

Obama/Dems would increase taxes and further deplete funds by causing healthcare to rise by their plans and legislation

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Obama/Dems would increase taxes and further deplete funds by causing healthcare to rise by their plans and legislation

Actually you are WRONG. Taxes would be LOWERED for middle class.

Factcheck.org.

Of course, you probably dont really care about the facts anyway if you are quoting fox news.

[Danzig]

i haven't read obamas complete package, but have seen that he says he will keep bushes tax cuts put into effect a couple of years ago.
but he has also said he will let them expire, as they weren't permanent, which means a tax increase in the offing-back to former levels. so, if he really wanted a tax break, why not keep those cuts rather than let them expire?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Here's the Gay Rights stances:

Barak Obama actually Opposes gay marriage.. but I agree with pretty much all he has to say about it:

Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007)
Decisions about marriage should be left to the states. (Oct 2007)
Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality. (Oct 2007)
Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)
Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007)
We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions. (Aug 2007)
Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007)
Disentangle gay rights from the word "marriage". (Aug 2007)
Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007)
Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007)
Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007)
Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006)
Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)
Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is. (Oct 2004)
Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws. (Jul 1998)



Now McCain OPPOSED the amendment to the Constitustion to ban same-sex unions. He called it "un-republican". I do like that about him.

He feels that same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and other purposes, but he opposes gay marriage and believes in "the unique status of marriage between and man and a woman."

He also thinks its a state issue to vote on gay marraige.


Now I'm more with Obama on this issue, but McCain is not all that bad. He actually Doesnt hate me!

Edit- McCain did vote NO on making crimes based on sexual orientation a hate crime. Which I dont get. How is it not a hate crime?

i think it may be more of a states rights issue, altho the fact the constitution says all men (and i'm assuming they mean women!) are created equal. so in that respect, how can certain rights only be relegated to certain people? they can't be, not if we follow the constitution. that's why i think two consenting unrelated adults should be able to enter into a union, regardless of what they call it. imo 'marriage' is a religious doing-but once the 'state' began giving tax breaks and legal protection to spouses, in effect they are treating some citizens as more equal (kudos to animal farm, love the book) than others.

i don't agree with amending the constitution. they did that once with prohibition, it shouldn't be treated so casually. what i would like is for states that don't specifically allow certain marriages to at least recognize those conducted in other states. after all, drivers' licenses are 'transferrable' in that if you have a legit license and move over the state line, you have to re-license, but don't have to re-test as long as it's valid and unexpired.
BUT, it seems too many responsibilities that should be handled by the state are being relegated to the feds, which is why all this stuff that really doesn't matter in a presidential election get brought to the fore.

and i really think it stinks that, due to the upcoming election, congress essentially won't be doing anything before january-not even working on a spending bill. apparently they will pass a resolution keeping current spending, and not get back to doing our business til january.
seems imo that too many of our civil servants are more concerned with getting re-elected, and their party members back in office, than in taking care of the country.

apologies for my long winded post, or rant if you will....

[dalakhani]

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...fits_if_i.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...eceptions.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Actually you are WRONG. Taxes would be LOWERED for middle class.

Factcheck.org.

Of course, you probably dont really care about the facts anyway if you are quoting fox news.

DOH!!!.....factcheck is BOGUS....don't you pay attention when they're outed as a liberal site....Sheesh

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DOH!!!.....factcheck is BOGUS....don't you pay attention when they're outed as a liberal site....Sheesh

What is relialble then Timmi? Foxnews.com?

factcheck is a bipartisan thinktank with both liberal and conservative minds. Check it out for yourself.

Timmi, i bet that you are a nice old guy.