Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[ninetoone]

In my mind this read like "Oz" in the original Wizard of Oz. And it was terrifying.

[cowgirlintexas]

Don't encourage him!..lol

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're an idiot based on the majority of your posts. However I agree with what you are saying about the Euro's. So far they have underperformed. I said as much. Hearing that you don't value my opinion is going to be tough to get through tonight. hopefully the money I won today, will help me get through.

glad you won , I had a small lost.

[cowgirlintexas]

Ahhhhhh my @< @'s!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You got bad eyes or something?

he's definitely consistent.

[the_fat_man]

Forever Together is a very nice filly and she'll probably be as good or better down the road, if she's not already. But Wait a While was best today --- by a lot. What a shame that Johnny V screwed up YET ANOTHER race. A truly courageous run WASTED.

I've posed this before: 'how the **** does he have the nerve to face the connections after that ride"?

[cowgirlintexas]

Totally agree.. Stupid a$$ ruined my damn tri She was a for sure winner.. then "bam"...3rd

It was an utterly retarded ride.

[letswastemoney]

Oh yesss!!!! It's true!!! Casino Drive is my king!!!!!! ::bows down:::

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The sprint and Ladies classic and 2 yo fillies were hardly unformful. They were all won by logical horses with logical horses behind.

I am sure you know how sarcastic I was being

[blackthroatedwind]

How can you suggest that anyone in the field ran better than the winner?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How can you suggest that anyone in the field ran better than the winner?

It's OBVIOUS.

[blackthroatedwind]

The winner was too close to the pace, wide, and spun out into the stretch....and still jogged.

Sorry, Wait a While wasn't best. She's basically a stalker who was in a comfortable spot off a slow pace. Yes, she could have had a better trip, but so could have the winner, and moreso, but all things being equal ( for all horses ) I can't understand how you think she was best.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The winner was too close to the pace, wide, and spun out into the stretch....and still jogged.

Sorry, Wait a While wasn't best. She's basically a stalker who was in a comfortable spot off a slow pace. Yes, she could have had a better trip, but so could have the winner, and moreso, but all things being equal ( for all horses ) I can't understand how you think she was best.

How far back did you want FT to be? While WaW was chasing wide, the entire race, what was FT doing? When WaW was moving prematurely on the turn, what was FT doing? When Visit cut the corner and took the lead, it was WaW that ran her down initially. FT picked up the pieces late. SHE got the better setup in terms of dynamics, essentially LAST MOVING the field. WaW was the only one of the top 4 (at the half pole) to be around at the end. Hard to believe that would happen in a race with a slow pace and pace setters running comfortably.

Here's the chart. (I assume it's correct as I don't have a decent replay to look at.)

Perfect opportunity and JV squandered it.

[blackthroatedwind]

She's a stalker and it was a slow pace. That worked in Wait a While's favor and against Forever Together. Yes, Wait a While got a bit of a silly ride, but she was less compromised by the pace than the winner.

IMO, if the race had been fairly run, with an honest pace, and a reasonably strung out field, while Wait a While might have been second, there is no doubt Forever Together would have won.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Forever Together is a very nice filly and she'll probably be as good or better down the road, if she's not already. But Wait a While was best today --- by a lot. What a shame that Johnny V screwed up YET ANOTHER race. A truly courageous run WASTED.

I've posed this before: 'how the **** does he have the nerve to face the connections after that ride"?

This might be the funniest thing I have read on the net in a while. FT was MUCH the best.

Question for you Fatman......have you ever lost a race and not whined about the jock.

[the_fat_man]

Wait a While isn't exactly my favorite horse. But she moved early last out and she got that patented wide, no cover, premature move today, that JV has popularized.

Moreover, I think that race dynamics (moves) are superordinate to (numerical) pace. There are just too many cases (like today) where horses setting or with a slow pace aren't around at the end.

[docicu3]

Forever Together has previously run races with surperior figures than any races WAW has ever run. The second half of stretch drive she ran today overcame all previous imperfections earlier in the race. She was a very deserving winner today. The only surprise IMO was the reawakening of past Candian Horse of the year Seally Hill for second who looked very solid getting past WAW for second.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Wait a While isn't exactly my favorite horse. But she moved early last out and she got that patented wide, no cover, premature move today, that JV has popularized.

Moreover, I think that race dynamics (moves) are superordinate to (numerical) pace. There are just too many cases (like today) where horses setting or with a slow pace aren't around at the end.

I agree on both counts. I've pretty publically never been Johnny's biggest fan.

On the second part, I agree that paces in turf races are overrated, and that courses play a bigger role in dynamics than most realize, but overall I would say the biggest reasons these horses failed on the slow paces is that they were badly overmatched. Now, Wait a While wasn't BADLY overmatched....but she was still, at least, slightly overmatched. In order to have won today, things would have had to have gone very right for her....and very wrong for Forever Together. Instead, things went moderately for her ( some good....some bad ), and pretty mediocrely for the winner.