OJ Sentencing

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Scav

I am happy as hell man, OJ KILLED HIS WIFE and innoncent people. Karma got his ass big time. Ole boy thought he was higher then the rest of the world. It always does. that is why Karma and I have become friends and I do EVERYTHING not to piss it off.

I am not the smartest person in the world, but I for sure know that I shouldn't be walking into a room with a gun to steal something.

You understand that if he didn't bring the gun, he is probably not in jail now. Guns are NO JOKE, just ask Plex and the 3.5 years he will be serving

Scavs, you know I likewise believe in karma, I agree with your assessment of the crime, guns are a "big deal", saw first hand what they do in the Army...no problem with the conviction. Let's see what Plex gets, hopefully it will be just...IF he is convicted...right now he's still innocent under our laws.
My problem is you are stating a personal belief as a fact...yes, I agree with your belief but please call it that! If you want to live in a society with respect for the law, then the process is important...regardless whether one agrees with the results.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

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[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Scavs, you know I likewise believe in karma, I agree with your assessment of the crime, guns are a "big deal", saw first hand what they do in the Army...no problem with the conviction. Let's see what Plex gets, hopefully it will be just...IF he is convicted...right now he's still innocent under our laws.
My problem is you are stating a personal belief as a fact...yes, I agree with your belief but please call it that! If you want to live in a society with respect for the law, then the process is important...regardless whether one agrees with the results.

Oh will you stop acting like no one can state an opinion here?

That's a fucl<in' jury instruction ,you horn blowing idiot.


If it was meant otherwise....why the fucl< would anybody ever be arrested????



You gotta start being someone else....ya dope.

[somerfrost]

I find it funny...not you Morty, you're simply irrelevant...everytime I express any opinion that some folks here disagree with, the personal attacks start...explain why my opinion is me acting superior, getting on a soapbox etc while other's opinions when stated by them, are exempt from the same definition. I have an opinion, someone else has a different one...I express mine, they express their's....that's referred to as debate or simply a difference of opinion.
Anyway, I knew in advance the response I'd get so it's clearly on me...free will...but I stand by my posts and I trust Morty does also...and that speaks for itself!

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I find it funny...not you Morty, you're simply irrelevant...everytime I express any opinion that some folks here disagree with, the personal attacks start...explain why my opinion is me acting superior, getting on a soapbox etc while other's opinions when stated by them, are exempt from the same definition. I have an opinion, someone else has a different one...I express mine, they express their's....that's referred to as debate or simply a difference of opinion.
Anyway, I knew in advance the response I'd get so it's clearly on me...free will...but I stand by my posts and I trust Morty does also...and that speaks for itself!

Good for you.


Now listen carefully you pompous fucl<.

You keep throwing around the "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense everytime someone posts an opinion about a guy being guilty.

It's a jury instruction. They did not arrest Simpson because they presumed he was innocent.

Is this sinking into your fucl<in' numb skull?

[Mortimer]

Oh my God.











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[Late Fires]

onebadbeast definitely had it right when he posted this in the smart threads to begin with.

[somerfrost]

Why am I preaching and you using "common sense"? I believe one way and you another...it's not preaching to express in a semi-articulate (I hope) manner what I think...any more than it is for you to state your's. I do understand the uneasyness that some folks feel about OJ walking the streets, as a parent, I feel uneasy about child molesters living among us...the system will never be perfect. It's hardly about me anymore than your opinions are about you. I don't say that you don't have the right to express your opinions and try to demean them by saying they are all about you...yet folks want to make mine "all about me"...believe me when I say at the very heart of my belief system is the core belief that we are all equal...so why would I need to feel superior?????

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Good for you.


Now listen carefully you pompous fucl<.

You keep throwing around the "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense everytime someone posts an opinion about a guy being guilty.

It's a jury instruction. They did not arrest Simpson because they presumed he was innocent.

Is this sinking into your fucl<in' numb skull?

My my...musta hit a nerve! Innocent until proven guilty isn't nonsense and I don't care about folks opinions UNTIL they are presented as FACT. Using your logic, EVERY suspect ever arrested must be guilty cause they weren't arrested because the police thought they were innocent. It's much much more than a jury instruction...it's the foundation of our legal system.

[Mortimer]

You certainly have no idea what you are talking about....so that's a common trait.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

My my...musta hit a nerve! Innocent until proven guilty isn't nonsense and I don't care about folks opinions UNTIL they are presented as FACT. Using your logic, EVERY suspect ever arrested must be guilty cause they weren't arrested because the police thought they were innocent. It's much much more than a jury instruction...it's the foundation of our legal system.

You are one of the biggest fools here.


"You are being arrested for the murder of _______as we believe you are innocent of this crime."



And that's just for starters....FOOL.


Other things such as high or no bail...and a PROSECUTION team kinda infer otherwise, you blithering idiot.

[GBBob]

I'll wade into this hostile thread to say that these f^ck faces better get more time than OJ did

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[declansharbor]

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[King Glorious]

If a man is believed by most everyone to have killed a child but he goes through the justice system and is found not guilty........then the parent of that child goes and kills the alleged killer........it's my belief that the parent should be prosecuted fully. I may totally understand where they were coming from and to everyone, the killing may be justified. But going soft on the parent is not how the system is supposed to work. Allowing judges to put their personal feelings into decisions is scary. I thought that a man couldn't be tried for the same crime twice. Something about double jeopardy. The truth of the matter is that this judge today decided that she wasn't happy with the decision of his murder trial and imposed her own sentence for THAT trial, even though fairly or unfairly, he already went through that and was found not guilty. There's no way that any rational thinking person can agree that the punishment received fit THIS crime. In my opinion, this decision is as much a breakdown in the system as the one that found him not guilty in the murder trial.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Where did I say common sense? You're still not understanding my point. YOU turn most threads you participate into a chance to tell everyone about what YOUR belief system is. Look at this post. Me, me,me,me,me. We get it. The justice system has a lot of flaws. I'm happy it's flaws are going to put a guy who should already be in jail in there. That's it. That's all people are saying.

Seriously now, how can you express an opinion without referencing that it's your opinion? Should I preference it with "some folks think"? Do your opinions directly conflict with your belief system? This is of course a tactic, attack the messenger to deflect from the message. Perhaps I've been too honest in the past, when folks ask me a personal question I will usually answer it...see no reason not to. For example...on ESPN board I was attacked as being "non-Christian" in my beliefs, I was truthful about that subject and from then on...I hear about it whenever I disagree with someone (latest example being TIMM). That's cool...and expected, but if you read the threads, it's usually in direct response to remarks from another. My beliefs are what they are and ironically, by definition, not a personal "need" to discuss. So again....a post with a lot of "me, me, me...but hard to see how else "some folks" could reply.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If a man is believed by most everyone to have killed a child but he goes through the justice system and is found not guilty........then the parent of that child goes and kills the alleged killer........it's my belief that the parent should be prosecuted fully. I may totally understand where they were coming from and to everyone, the killing may be justified. But going soft on the parent is not how the system is supposed to work. Allowing judges to put their personal feelings into decisions is scary. I thought that a man couldn't be tried for the same crime twice. Something about double jeopardy. The truth of the matter is that this judge today decided that she wasn't happy with the decision of his murder trial and imposed her own sentence for THAT trial, even though fairly or unfairly, he already went through that and was found not guilty. There's no way that any rational thinking person can agree that the punishment received fit THIS crime. In my opinion, this decision is as much a breakdown in the system as the one that found him not guilty in the murder trial.

Agree with most of that...not ready to say the judge did that, as "some folks" stated earlier, if the sentence is upheld on what surely will be an appeal, then only she will know.

Kill him and his supporters. Public hangings for all.

[Mortimer]

The judge has a reputation for being a hardliner on those found guilty...although the jury presumed them to be innocent.




And so did the police...and the prosecution team.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Why am I posting this? I must be a complete idiot but...what the hell!
Did OJ kill his wife and her friend?
Everybody has an opinion but the jury found him not guilty,
Had I been on that jury I would have voted likewise...Mark Furhman (sp?) made it impossible to convict him.
Is he an idiot? His actions since the crime scream "YES"
But...if we incarcerated folks for being idiots....
This latest crime is hardly worth a long sentence...
Our legal system don't state that it's ok to "get even" or balance the scales...
He should have been sentenced solely on the merits of this conviction...
Was he?
Even if he is guilty of murder...he didn't get away with anything...he simply avoided man's law...I believe there is a higher justice.
I also believe that it is better to let a guilty man go free than to punish an innocent man...isn't that a cornerstone of our system?
I find no joy in this....I find the man pathetic, yes...distasteful, but I don't get the vulturistic joy of some...

fwiw..
Somer for the most part I don't see alot (some but not a lot) that I disagree with in your post....it does seem like you are saying that there was some "get even" or "balancing of the scales"..... that might be your opinion, but not necassarilly fact....
Your statement regarding "the latest crime is hardly worth a long sentence".... is also opinion that seems to be stated a bit more like "fact"


anyhoo....perhaps some see "justice" differently than you..... maybe even some see karma as a form of "higher justice"....and that may explain the "vulturistic joy" that seems to be bothering you.

[Mortimer]

SomerTossed is a rambling fool---there is no reasoning with this pontificating cretin.