Circular Quay

[miraja2]

Okay….I said last week that I was done posting on here because I simply did not have time anymore (which is true). But I have to make a special exception for this race. After his debut, Oracle and I (along with a couple other people) were saying that this horse was going to be a big time force in the 2YO division. People jumped all over us!
“It is too early!” some said.
“He is too slow” shouted others.
A few talked about he was not even one of the top 2YOs in his own barn! Now I don’t want to gloat too much over what happened today, but I would like to ask those people if they still think it is “too early” or if they think he is “too slow?”
And just remember that this guy is a Thunder Gulch, so when they stretch out to races 8f and beyond later in the year, he should only get better.
What a horse.

[Scav]

The fact that he breaks like crap also helps him becuase he doesn't get caught in nutty fractions

How this exacta paid $9.30 is BEYOND me

[zippyneedsawin]

CQ is the MAN! Yes he did benefit from that insane speed duel, but what a closing kick! The races only get LONGER from here too which helps him.

[Revolution]

he is definitely the best 2yr old since afleet alex. i like him more as they stretch out. he is not a freak though, just a precocious 2yr old. his lack of tactical speed is something they will have to work on. he will not always have small fields and fractions like that to run at. he is impressive though.

[pick4]

Horse is great and two year old usually don't make moves like that. Although Wild Fit is one that comes to mind. I think you have to consider how his out of the clouds running style will play out around two turns. Circular Quay looks like a real good one but I think the rest of field had quality horses and shouldn't be counted out going forward. It will be interesting to see these horses as the mature.

[Thunder Gulch]

That's my boy!!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Scav

The fact that he breaks like crap also helps him becuase he doesn't get caught in nutty fractions

How this exacta paid $9.30 is BEYOND me

Have you ever seen anything more ridiculous than the odds they sent the entry off at? The entry should have easily been 1/5. I was 99% sure CQ would win, and I thought there was about a 1% Scat Daddy would win. When I turned on TVG 4 minutes to post and saw that the odds were 6/5, I nearly crapped my pants. What in the world were people looking at?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Have you ever seen anything more ridiculous than the odds they sent the entry off at? The entry should have easily been 1/5. I was 99% sure CQ would win, and I thought there was about a 1% Scat Daddy would win. When I turned on TVG 4 minutes to post and saw that the odds were 6/5, I nearly crapped my pants. What in the world were people looking at?

I was thinking the exact same thing and was relieved when they dropped to 4/5 because I was stuck at home and would've crushed them at 6/5.

Anyway, I'd love to hear from all those "blah blah blah, 84 Beyer, blah blah blah" people now.

Speed figures are great, but if you actually WATCHED this horse's first two races, you could tell he was something special. Tremendous run.

Now he'll get a big Beyer and the bandwagon will come charging.

[ArlJim78]

I am waiting patiently for all the experts and analysts to explain what Circular Quay did today. There are several on here that have been quite opinionated with regard to how unimpressive he is. The initial reviews are in, he got yet another dream trip benefiting by the others knocking themselves out. He won’t be able to close like that as the races get longer.

After his first win we were told it’s too early, the race was meaningless.

After his next win we were told the field was weak and that the time was slow and that he benefited from an easy trip. Don’t worry, the better 2yo’s are waiting at the Spa and will rule the day we were advised.

Today the distance was longer and he faced the best so far. And even with his “sub par” action he absolutely crushed the field. A field which included his stablemate Scat Daddy, the horse with the beautiful long stride that the experts have already anointed as the best 2YO. Based on what, I’m not sure. But that’s what we have the experts for, to illuminate the path to truth for us.

Picking which 2YO moves forward to win the BCJ or which one will have success in the spring or the derby is a very dicey thing. No one knows how this thing plays out going forward. And I am not so naïve as to think the CQ will never meet his challenge and will just cruise to the Derby.

But I’m going to say what I have said after each of Circular Quay’s races. He does things, accelerates, changes course, closes well, that are often not things a 2yo does well. Each of his races has left me dazzled. He does something else that I like to see; he simply wins each race and in my opinion looks much the best doing it.

[Danzig]

very nicely put arljim.

and dahoss, there are ALWAYS naysayers...always.

[Nostradamus]

He is the best 2yr old right now but as Pletcher said, sometimes being the lone closer is as good as being the lone speed. When they go 22 and 44 you know the winner is coming from way back.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

He is the best 2yr old right now but as Pletcher said, sometimes being the lone closer is as good as being the lone speed. When they go 22 and 44 you know the winner is coming from way back.

Why on earth Cornelio sent Peagasus so hard up front I'll never know. Simply no reason to do that. Anyone could tell how suicidal that pace was.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I know, I just don't get it sometimes. The way people talk on this board, there is never a horse deserving of a win, because either he or she has beat no one, or the race set up perfectly. Or let a horse lose a race, he/she is a fraud, not graded stakes caliber, or other nonsense. It gets old.

Its funny the way you put it but its true. there always is something wrong with every winner around here. I only learned recently that almost all of these horses are actually frauds.

That's why I love it around here the delicate balance of opinions.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

He is the best 2yr old right now but as Pletcher said, sometimes being the lone closer is as good as being the lone speed. When they go 22 and 44 you know the winner is coming from way back.

I believe that your exact words about this horse in miraja's last thread about this horse was that "scat daddy can do anything this horse can do and more." Apparently they were right and you were wrong. Quay can and did win the Hopeful. Scat Daddy couldn't. Might as well admit when you are wrong.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by avance2000

I believe that your exact words about this horse in miraja's last thread about this horse was that "scat daddy can do anything this horse can do and more." Apparently they were right and you were wrong. Quay can and did win the Hopeful. Scat Daddy couldn't. Might as well admit when you are wrong.

I was wrong. That doesn't make me a coward. The fact is Scat Daddy ran a very impressive race too. CQ is going to have to beat him in a two turn race though with more than 5 horses where the fractions are 22 and 44 to make me a believer. CQ will NEVER beat Tiz Wonderful. I will bet anyone who wants that action when they meet.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

I was wrong. That doesn't make me a coward. The fact is Scat Daddy ran a very impressive race too. CQ is going to have to beat him in a two turn race though with more than 5 horses where the fractions are 22 and 44 to make me a believer. CQ will NEVER beat Tiz Wonderful. I will bet anyone who wants that action when they meet.

Oh, I never said you were a coward. I don't even know you, so I certainly wouldn't say that.
I don't see why you feel the need to keep trying to find colts that you think are better than Quay. He looks like the goods to me. What do you see that after every one of his races you have some super colt who is way better than him?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hey I thought Tiz Wondeful was mine. Aw shucks, now I have to go find my own horse to tout, and when he loses, because he will, I'll need to blame it on something other than the fact that they aren't machines. Or maybe, just this time he was inferior.

No DaHoss, you have to remember that when he loses he becomes a fraud.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hey I thought Tiz Wondeful was mine. Aw shucks, now I have to go find my own horse to tout, and when he loses, because he will, I'll need to blame it on something other than the fact that they aren't machines. Or maybe, just this time he was inferior.

He won't lose this year unless he gets hurt. He is the best 2yr old out there and the second best is not close. That doesn't mean he will be a great horse next year. Anything can happen, but he will not be beat this year.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

He won't lose this year unless he gets hurt. He is the best 2yr old out there and the second best is not close. That doesn't mean he will be a great horse next year. Anything can happen, but he will not be beat this year.

And we should listen to you based on your prediction(s) in the Hopeful...

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

And we should listen to you based on your prediction(s) in the Hopeful...

That was my prediction. Tiz Wonderful is from somebody that knows what he is talking about.