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Old 04-09-2009, 12:37 AM
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Imperial Council is this years version of Saarland.
Bad taste. RIP Saarland.
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Old 04-09-2009, 12:42 AM
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I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?
True. If we're in the twentieth century.
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Old 04-09-2009, 02:41 AM
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Bad taste. RIP Saarland.
You said I tasted good the other day.
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Old 04-09-2009, 02:46 AM
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:41 AM
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Question about Imperial Council's paddock incident. Do any of you think that cost him the race? I kinda feel like it didn't. I think it was more his preparation (or lack thereof) more than the flipping. If this race was at 8f, he was right there, might have even won so it's hard for me to think he didn't run his race. But that last furlong found him wanting.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:54 AM
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Imperial Council is a better horse than what he showed in the Wood. Better of course being the relative term, because better is not Derby Trail capable at this point, but a horse freaking-out in the paddock is certainly a plausible excuse.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:03 AM
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Imperial Council is a better horse than what he showed in the Wood. Better of course being the relative term, because better is not Derby Trail capable at this point, but a horse freaking-out in the paddock is certainly a plausible excuse.
I'm not saying it's not an excuse but maybe the 9f was a bigger excuse. To me, it looked like if the race was 8f, he may have won the race and nobody would be using any excuses. He would have looked as good as he had before, his figures would have been better than they had been before. Up to 8f, I thought he was actually as good as or better than he had shown before, paddock incident and all. Perhaps the wasted energy caught up to him in the last furlong and that's the reason he backed up. Certainly possible. But I think it may also be a convenient excuse to cause some people to overlook the fact that this might have been the point where he was going to start weakening anyway.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:09 AM
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He was dead empty at the top of the stretch and there is zero chance that he was winning the race if it was a mile......for a whole variety of reasons.

But, you know that.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:09 AM
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Imperial Council is a sh.ittier version of Denis of Cork...if that's even possible.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:12 AM
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Imperial Council is a sh.ittier version of Denis of Cork...if that's even possible.
At least Denis won a meaningful stakes race, even if it was handed to him.

Imperial Council might be a decent horse towards the end of the year but to say that his effort was disappointing on Saturday is a wild understatement.

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Old 04-09-2009, 11:36 AM
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I'm not saying it's not an excuse but maybe the 9f was a bigger excuse.
He wasn't winning a 7 furlong race on Saturday.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:47 AM
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freshen him up...
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Old 04-09-2009, 02:16 PM
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IMPERIAL COUNCIL another headcase like CORONADO'S QUEST? Didn't that one needed to be handled with care in that paddock area and during warmups?
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Old 04-09-2009, 02:23 PM
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IMPERIAL COUNCIL another headcase like CORONADO'S QUEST? Didn't that one needed to be handled with care in that paddock area and during warmups?
Their inability to be civil in the paddock is probably where the similarities end.

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