North Korea question

[dellinger63]

Shouldn't they have the right to arrest individuals who illegally enter their country? Or are we trying to dictate our policy of looking the other way educating and supporting illegal entrants? And Al Gore? LOL I'd rather have

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Shouldn't they have the right to arrest individuals who illegally enter their country? Or are we trying to dictate our policy of looking the other way educating and supporting illegal entrants? And Al Gore? LOL I'd rather have

this is just a cat and mouse game steve , let's see what obama and hillary give up when these 2 are released. They are not in one of the N Korean torture camps, they are in a safe house and they were even allowed to make a call!

[dellinger63]

I think these two knew the risk of being caught on the wrong side of the line kind of the same way 'mules' know the risk of smuggling drugs from say Columbia. The sentence was stiff but the arrests seem legit. It's not like they ran out of gas and wandered across the border looking for a station? Or were kidnapped and brought into the country. They did the crime now let em do the time. Call Kim's hand this time.

[gales0678]

what do you think our fine leaders in Wash DC will give up / concede to win the release of the 2 journalists?

[Antitrust32]

Damn you guys are tough. I hope the two girls get released. Supposedly, they had no intention to go to North Korea. Del, I think its wrong to compare the girls to drug smugglers, and you are making assumptions like they are fact.

We should all hope that these girls are released. 12 years in a prison camp is a long time.

Not sure what your getting at with this thread, but I doubt Obama is going to give up our nuclear secrets or anything like that to North Korea.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by gales0678

what do you think our fine leaders in Wash DC will give up / concede to win the release of the 2 journalists?

even though we don't pay ransoms. I can only HOPE we trade Al Gore

[gales0678]

i know not the secrets , but , surely you know that there will be some concession from DC to get them out , surely you don't think Kim Jong is just going to release them with no strings - it maybe something as simple as more food aid for his country

[GBBob]

wow...Advocating and supporting arrests of journalists..possible in a very suspect manner...advocating a trial where no press is allowed and advocating a 12 year sentence in a labor camp for probably being dragged across a border by ambitious secirity guards. I never knew North Korea had so many fans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090608/...urnalists_held

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Damn you guys are tough. I hope the two girls get released. Supposedly, they had no intention to go to North Korea. Del, I think its wrong to compare the girls to drug smugglers, and you are making assumptions like they are fact.

We should all hope that these girls are released. 12 years in a prison camp is a long time.

Not sure what your getting at with this thread, but I doubt Obama is going to give up our nuclear secrets or anything like that to North Korea.

well they were doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade which is sickening but I'm confident N. Korea was a target. They weren't 2 college girls on spring break looking for cute Korean boys. I believe they knew exactly where they were and crossed on purpose to get a story.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

wow...Advocating and supporting arrests of journalists..possible in a very suspect manner...advocating a trial where no press is allowed and advocating a 12 year sentence in a labor camp for probably being dragged across a border by ambitious secirity guards. I never knew North Korea had so many fans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090608/...urnalists_held

surely you know that they are not going to go to a labor camp for 12 yrs .....
they are in a safe house and have been allowed to call home ... as soon as Obama gives Kim something they are out and then something similar will happen again and again for the next 8 oops 4 yrs

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

wow...Advocating and supporting arrests of journalists..possible in a very suspect manner...advocating a trial where no press is allowed and advocating a 12 year sentence in a labor camp for probably being dragged across a border by ambitious secirity guards. I never knew North Korea had so many fans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090608/...urnalists_held

amen Bob.

[gales0678]

the last democratic pres gave Kim the reactors , i'm hoping Obama is not as generous

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

well they were doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade which is sickening but I'm confident N. Korea was a target. They weren't 2 college girls on spring break looking for cute Korean boys. I believe they knew exactly where they were and crossed on purpose to get a story.

i'm glad you believe that. But really you dont know the facts. You may be right, & also may be wrong.

So they deserve 12 years in a prison camp for being journalists? You think the punishment is justified even if your theory about them doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade is correct?

There's no reason to stick up for North Korea, especially at this time in history.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

even though we don't pay ransoms. I can only HOPE we trade Al Gore

......works for me!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i'm glad you believe that. But really you dont know the facts. You may be right, & also may be wrong.

So they deserve 12 years in a prison camp for being journalists? You think the punishment is justified even if your theory about them doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade is correct?

There's no reason to stick up for North Korea, especially at this time in history.

don't you understand that sentence is a farce! that won't see 1 day in those prison camps , the bigger picture here will be what obama gives up ....let's see what happens , remember the 90's clinton , richardson , et al and what they gave up to North Korea

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the last democratic pres gave Kim the reactors , i'm hoping Obama is not as generous

Obama may show them the end result of the A bomb if they keep acting like they are. Threatening war on everyone who gets in their way. Obama has already tried dialogue, and that hasnt worked. "we may threaten you with sanctions" "okay well we're gonna test a nuke and our new missles"

A nice friendly conversations isnt going to cut it here, but lets hope this doesnt escalate into a full out violent conflict.

[Danzig]

the problem has been that sanctions won't work til china gets on board. they are north koreas number one ally, and are the reason sanctions haven't worked to this point.
as for the joiurnalists, they're just a tool being used by north korea to attempt to strong-arm the u.s.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the problem has been that sanctions won't work til china gets on board. they are north koreas number one ally, and are the reason sanctions haven't worked to this point.
as for the joiurnalists, they're just a tool being used by north korea to attempt to strong-arm the u.s.

North Korea could end up a bigger problem for US and Obama than the Iraq/Afghan wars and the economy combined.

They are really being ruthless right now.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i'm glad you believe that. But really you dont know the facts. You may be right, & also may be wrong.

So they deserve 12 years in a prison camp for being journalists? You think the punishment is justified even if your theory about them doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade is correct?

There's no reason to stick up for North Korea, especially at this time in history.

Lori no way are they going to do any hard time. I'm not sticking up for N.Korea just making the point these girls f'd up and now have put us in this situation of being forced to bargain with the little dictator in women's sunglasses. If they in fact N Korea crossed the border and kidnapped them I think the cameraman and guide who escaped would be doing daily stories from the place they were taken from. Also I don't think China and NKorea have a 'open border policy' where troops from either side can cross but I could be wrong. And then to know they worked for Al Gore's company? Hopefully he gets charged for any costs the US will incure to secure their release.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

North Korea could end up a bigger problem for US and Obama than the Iraq/Afghan wars and the economy combined.

They are really being ruthless right now.

Joe Biden talked about challenges well this could be it