Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Can we say "global climate change" is a theory like global cooling was, or maybe that being Haitian was a risk factor for AIDS or even better, the science behind Y2K?

Only if one's depth of understanding about topics scientific is limited to not-very-accurate third-grade-level news media sound bites.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by Riot

Only if one's depth of understanding about topics scientific is limited to not-very-accurate third-grade-level news media sound bites.

Well that's a very simplistic and condescending way of looking at the information now, but the information was considered gospel when it came out. There was a whole cottage Y2K industry as well as the medical community putting Haitian-Americans under increased scrutiny at the time. I was there and witnessed it so if you want to go into revisionist history go right ahead.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Well that's a very simplistic and condescending way of looking at the information now, but the information was considered gospel when it came out. There was a whole cottage Y2K industry as well as the medical community putting Haitian-Americans under increased scrutiny at the time. I was there and witnessed it so if you want to go into revisionist history go right ahead.

Yes, and I was there and witnessed it, too, and the characterizations of those issues in your previous post are pretty darn broad, generalized, and not very precise.

So, as I said ...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Only if one's depth of understanding about topics scientific is limited to not-very-accurate third-grade-level news media sound bites.

That is exactly where we heard about Global warming.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Well that's a very simplistic and condescending way of looking at the information now, but the information was considered gospel when it came out. There was a whole cottage Y2K industry as well as the medical community putting Haitian-Americans under increased scrutiny at the time. I was there and witnessed it so if you want to go into revisionist history go right ahead.

They are right and we are wrong to even question the 'science' behind it. The fact that this year and last have been a cooler years than previous years by every global measure is proof that....they are right !!! Dont ya get it? By the time anyone figures out who was right or wrong on this topic, unlike the others you listed, we will all be dead for hundreds of years!

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They are right and we are wrong to even question the 'science' behind it. The fact that this year and last have been a cooler years than previous years by every global measure is proof that....they are right !!! Dont ya get it? By the time anyone figures out who was right or wrong on this topic, unlike the others you listed, we will all be dead for hundreds of years!

That's true...Global warming is why it's hot, cold, wet, dry.......

[SOREHOOF]

That's "climate change".

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

That's "climate change".

Call it whatever you want. It's the same flawed theory.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Call it whatever you want. It's the same flawed theory.

How so? Cause it is cooler for this one year? Global warming is undeniable, the temperature of the planet is increasing over the past half century and especially over the last 30 years. Whether it is man-made or occurring naturally is up for debate but that it is occurring is as certain a "theory" as evolution or gravity are. There is just no way you can rationally look at this graph and conclude otherwise:

http://199.6.131.12/en/scictr/watch/...obal_temp1.jpg

The real question is whether the warming is something we should be concerned with or something that is just happening naturally. The sooner people stop trying to pretend global warming isn't occurring the sooner there can be a rational discussion on the real issue, whether or not we are the problem.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How so? Cause it is cooler for this one year? Global warming is undeniable, the temperature of the planet is increasing over the past half century and especially over the last 30 years. Whether it is man-made or occurring naturally is up for debate but that it is occurring is as certain a "theory" as evolution or gravity are. There is just no way you can rationally look at this graph and conclude otherwise:

http://199.6.131.12/en/scictr/watch/...obal_temp1.jpg

The real question is whether the warming is something we should be concerned with or something that is just happening naturally. The sooner people stop trying to pretend global warming isn't occurring the sooner there can be a rational discussion on the real issue, whether or not we are the problem.

I'm not trying to say the temperatures are not rising over the 30 year snapshot. What I am disputing is that this is not a natural phenomenon that is being blamed on this carbon nonsense using a very narrow slice of data extrapolated across 4.5 billion years of Earth history.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The sooner people stop trying to pretend global warming isn't occurring the sooner there can be a rational discussion on the real issue, whether or not we are the problem.

The "science legacy" of the born-again George W. Bush. Thanks for making critical reasoning, facts and thinking "optional" or a matter of "belief", George. Well done

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "science legacy" of the born-again George W. Bush. Thanks for making critical reasoning, facts and thinking "optional" or a matter of "belief", George. Well done

don't forget the debt owed to the "fair and balanced" crowd where thousands of climate scientists struggle to be heard above the constant drumbeat of a few dissenters.

1 senator that thinks cows fart carbon dioxide gets more press than 1000 climate scientists.

[pgiaco]

Just so I've got this straight, if you disagree with man made climate change you're not critically thinking?????
And I don't remember using George Bush in any of my arguments.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

1 senator that thinks cows fart carbon dioxide gets more press than 1000 climate scientists.

Maybe the Senator was schooled in Texas, out of textbooks fitting the Texas School Board criteria?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Just so I've got this straight, if you disagree with man made climate change you're not critically thinking?????
And I don't remember using George Bush in any of my arguments.

That is the liberal way. They are right and everyone else is wrong regardless. And when they have nothing else, they just blame Bush.

[dellinger63]

This is why that conservative rag TIME Magazine was predicting doom from an Ice Age 35 yrs ago.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...944914,00.html

The subject of this post is Cap and Trade not Global Warming so anyone, explain how taxing everything American while NOTHING foreign will reduce carbon output and not make it worse?

Al Gore flying around via private jet, comparing the holocaust, as if the gas the Nazi’s produced is the same as we are, should serve as some clue as to the charade of this bill and the people behind it including the vast amount of scientists who are publicly funded to 'prove' global warming.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is the liberal way. They are right and everyone else is wrong regardless. And when they have nothing else, they just blame Bush.

I think it's fair to say that Liberal and Bush are easily interchanged with Republican and Obama. There is no more unbending group that hard core conservatives...they may be "right" on some stuff, but I never hear they are wrong, unsure or bending on anything. It's attack mode 24/7 and everyone else is a moron.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

Just so I've got this straight, if you disagree with man made climate change you're not critically thinking?????
And I don't remember using George Bush in any of my arguments.

No. If you disagree that climate change (not man-made climate change) is occuring, you're probably about 10-15 years behind the rest of the world, have the ability to completely ignore overwhelming reams of repeatedly validated data, and probably still believe the earth is flat.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think it's fair to say that Liberal and Bush are easily interchanged with Republican and Obama. There is no more unbending group that hard core conservatives...they may be "right" on some stuff, but I never hear they are wrong, unsure or bending on anything. It's attack mode 24/7 and everyone else is a moron.

Or their relatives are yaks.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or their relatives are yaks.

Or they get their info from not-very-accurate third-grade-level news media sound bites. Or were schooled in Texas, out of textbooks fitting the Texas School Board criteria?

Just trying to be “impeccable with your word(s).” Not the voices in my head.