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Old 09-27-2009, 07:04 PM
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Racing has taken the view it is better to join them, gain in the short term and possibly be weakened in the long term than to fight them directly and assuredly lose in the short term which means there is no long term.
This is extremely spot-on... my big concern though is once the short term fixes are in place and a pulse is found again, how well is racing positioned for the long term?
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:53 PM
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This is extremely spot-on... my big concern though is once the short term fixes are in place and a pulse is found again, how well is racing positioned for the long term?
Probably poorly because of misguided and usually pretty incompetent leadership but one can always hope.
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:08 PM
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Freddys argumnet only makes sense from a macro-economic viewpoint in which everything was neatly seperated. It isnt. Horseracing derives it income from gambling. Slots are now part of that economy regardless of what racing does. Racing has taken the view it is better to join them, gain in the short term and possibly be weakened in the long term than to fight them directly and assuredly lose in the short term which means there is no long term. KY is a good example of what happens when you dont embrace the alternate gambling money. And yes racing does deserve that money and the ability to capitilize on that form of gambling because it has long been the only player in that field and has capitulated many times to state govt to stay in business. The states have drawn a disproportionate amount from our revenue streams for decades, it is about time we got paid back. Except in the corrupt world of dirty, under the table money taking politicians like David Williams.

And Freddy, if the horse industry leaves KY there is nothing to come in and replace it. The business climate in this state is not very good and there is a reason that business that flowed South out of anti business states like NY and NJ passed right on by KY.
There is something to come and replace it...... Ball Homes Inc. Subdivisions,gated communities,huge shopping centers next to Keeneland,etc.
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:35 PM
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There is something to come and replace it...... Ball Homes Inc. Subdivisions,gated communities,huge shopping centers next to Keeneland,etc.
There is no one to move into those homes...except maybe Philski
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:21 AM
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But,developers can buy the land dirt cheap right now and just sit on it,waiting for better times to come. Williams is probably sleeping with lots of these folks,and getting his wallet filled by them,like your rep. from LEX is doing with the Ball homes people.
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:21 AM
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sure, the developers can buy it and sit on it..and watch it devalue when everyone leaves since the states #1 source of employment would have moved on to greener pastures-and no pun intended there.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:48 AM
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Freddys argumnet only makes sense from a macro-economic viewpoint in which everything was neatly seperated. It isnt. Horseracing derives it income from gambling. Slots are now part of that economy regardless of what racing does. Racing has taken the view it is better to join them, gain in the short term and possibly be weakened in the long term than to fight them directly and assuredly lose in the short term which means there is no long term. KY is a good example of what happens when you dont embrace the alternate gambling money. And yes racing does deserve that money and the ability to capitilize on that form of gambling because it has long been the only player in that field and has capitulated many times to state govt to stay in business. The states have drawn a disproportionate amount from our revenue streams for decades, it is about time we got paid back. Except in the corrupt world of dirty, under the table money taking politicians like David Williams.

And Freddy, if the horse industry leaves KY there is nothing to come in and replace it. The business climate in this state is not very good and there is a reason that business that flowed South out of anti business states like NY and NJ passed right on by KY.

Dr. get me out of pain, keep me out of pain, I will be able to work hard while I am out of pain build my business and make some money. I will deal with withdrawing from the pain killers some other day and the damage it has done to me and my business another day. Dr. I know the pain medicine is going to feel so so good and I am ENTITLED to it because I used to be it for state treasurys.

Or

Dr. tells you can't work in a coal mine anymore because the conditions in it will kill you slowly. I suggest you move to NY where you can mine for gold in a gold mine that is stable and will become more stable if you and your mining buddies come there and work smartly and help build it from the ground up. You may not like the weather but the conditions for your long term health are much more favorable.

Don't ask me which one I would take I did a year and a half of rehab when I was 20 years old.. I guess I was young and foolish and lured by the euphoric feeling..lol

As for Ky..In 1987 I started playing Roto Baseball(fantasy) used to have our stats mailed to us each week. Then in like 88 I got this thing called a modem and downloaded stats (it took all night to download 5 pages of data lol) this thing called the internet was invented. It saved the US economy, I had no clue what it was at the time nor did I understand the implications. Also around that time this thing callled a cell phone started to be in vogue we had no clue how many jobs that would create or what it meant to the business world(some people even were able to buy racehorses with their success in the industry). Why won't or can't KY particpate in the next economic revolution? Maybe it will be energy related, maybe it will be related to space, maybe it will be drug related with cures for whatever. The point is we have no clue when or what it will be we just know that through history such economic events spurr growth and mankind. We aren't hoping it will happen we know it will. Ky just needs to be a part of it, and horse racing just needs to worry about it's product the right size and flavor for its patrons.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:53 AM
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Dr. get me out of pain, keep me out of pain, I will be able to work hard while I am out of pain build my business and make some money. I will deal with withdrawing from the pain killers some other day and the damage it has done to me and my business another day. Dr. I know the pain medicine is going to feel so so good and I am ENTITLED to it because I used to be it for state treasurys.

Or

Dr. tells you can't work in a coal mine anymore because the conditions in it will kill you slowly. I suggest you move to NY where you can mine for gold in a gold mine that is stable and will become more stable if you and your mining buddies come there and work smartly and help build it from the ground up. You may not like the weather but the conditions for your long term health are much more favorable.

Don't ask me which one I would take I did a year and a half of rehab when I was 20 years old.. I guess I was young and foolish and lured by the euphoric feeling..lol

As for Ky..In 1987 I started playing Roto Baseball(fantasy) used to have our stats mailed to us each week. Then in like 88 I got this thing called a modem and downloaded stats (it took all night to download 5 pages of data lol) this thing called the internet was invented. It saved the US economy, I had no clue what it was at the time nor did I understand the implications. Also around that time this thing callled a cell phone started to be in vogue we had no clue how many jobs that would create or what it meant to the business world(some people even were able to buy racehorses with their success in the industry). Why won't or can't KY particpate in the next economic revolution? Maybe it will be energy related, maybe it will be related to space, maybe it will be drug related with cures for whatever. The point is we have no clue when or what it will be we just know that through history such economic events spurr growth and mankind. We aren't hoping it will happen we know it will. Ky just needs to be a part of it, and horse racing just needs to worry about it's product the right size and flavor for its patrons.
Why cant KY participate in the next economic revolution? See Clay County residents versus the Census Bureau. Maybe if pot and meth are legalized KY will see a revival (economic kind)

I have to go get ready for the long trek accross our fine state to KY Downs (located in a dry county mind you )
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:09 AM
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Why cant KY participate in the next economic revolution? See Clay County residents versus the Census Bureau. Maybe if pot and meth are legalized KY will see a revival (economic kind)

I have to go get ready for the long trek accross our fine state to KY Downs (located in a dry county mind you )

Good luck and good luck getting a drink when you win!!
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:31 AM
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Why cant KY participate in the next economic revolution? See Clay County residents versus the Census Bureau. Maybe if pot and meth are legalized KY will see a revival (economic kind)
Maybe Pot will become legalized.. You answered your own issue.
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:45 PM
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Why cant KY participate in the next economic revolution? See Clay County residents versus the Census Bureau. Maybe if pot and meth are legalized KY will see a revival (economic kind)
Maybe Pot will become legalized.. You answered your own issue.

Seriously? If the state will not allow VLT's how do you think the bible thumpers will react to legalization of marijuana.

While I respect that you have a strong opinion about VLT's in Kentucky, I do not understand your view that it is OK for this state to lose its most treasured commodity. Kentucky has to find a way to keep competitive with other states with regard to year round racing and I can only see that VLTs will help Ellis/Turfway/KY Downs. CD and Keeneland will always be fine, but as Cannon Shell has stated the fact that trainers and horses will be leaving the state for lengthy time periods during the year due to low purse structures is not acceptable to me.
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