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Old 10-09-2009, 10:46 PM
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Go do Otto Graham. Dig into the archives!! The greatest winner of all time. Of course when he played, they only played one postseason game. 10 years as a professional, 10 championship games played....7-3 record. Of course only 6 of those in the NFL but still 3-3 in those 6 NFL championship games he played.

My guess is his stats and ratings are probably terrible.
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Old 10-10-2009, 03:51 AM
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Go do Otto Graham. Dig into the archives!! The greatest winner of all time. Of course when he played, they only played one postseason game. 10 years as a professional, 10 championship games played....7-3 record. Of course only 6 of those in the NFL but still 3-3 in those 6 NFL championship games he played.

My guess is his stats and ratings are probably terrible.
If I can find his game stats, I'll do him. The thing to remember is that you can't really compare him to other but you can compare him to himself.
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Old 10-10-2009, 01:46 PM
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Go do Otto Graham. Dig into the archives!! The greatest winner of all time. Of course when he played, they only played one postseason game. 10 years as a professional, 10 championship games played....7-3 record. Of course only 6 of those in the NFL but still 3-3 in those 6 NFL championship games he played.

My guess is his stats and ratings are probably terrible.
Ask and ye shall receive. Now, I couldn't find game stats on him prior to the NFL but we have his NFL stats. Before I put up the numbers, remember what I said before. It's very difficult to compare different eras so where his numbers might not match up with others, it's not to difficult to compare his regular season numbers against his playoff numbers since he's the same person playing with the same people under the same system and same rules. With that said, here's Graham for his six NFL seaons and the playoffs. He played two playoff games in 1950 because they tied for the division title so they had to play a game to see who would go play for the conference title so really, all seven of his playoff games were title games or championships.

Otto Graham
Games...............71 (57-13-1.810).................7 (4-3.571)
Comp%................55.7......................... .......53.0
YPG....................190.1...................... ........172.0
TD%....................5.6........................ ..........6.0
Int%....................6.0....................... ..........7.7
Rating..................78.2...................... ..........63.7

So what can we tell from these numbers? Well, to start, let's look at his completion %. These days, that would be pretty low for a starting quarterback. But in three of his six seasons, he led the league with numbers of 64.7, 59.2, and 53.0 So in that context, his % was pretty good for in those days. His yards per game weren't that high either at 190.1 But in two of those years, he led the league in that category so again, not too bad. His passer rating was not that great either. But in two years, he led in that area (99.7 and 94.0). The only area where he wasn't too good was in his td/int ratio. He threw way too many picks. But overall, you can easily see that he was one of, if not the best quarterback in the league during that time. Now where it gets interesting. The playoffs. Obviously, you'd never complain about a guy that wins three titles in six years. That's what it's all about. His performance level drops in the playoffs. He completes just over half of his passes (89-168) and his yards per game drops off by 18 a game. His td/int ratio gets worse. While he had 10 touchdowns, seven of those came in two games so that means he had only three in the other five games combined. He went three games without a touchdown but threw at least one interception in each game. In four of them, he threw two or more. To break him down even further for you, here's how he fared in his seven playoff games:

In the wins
61.5% completions
178.3 ypg
11.5 td%
9.0 int%
9/7 td/int
92.5 rating

In the losses
45.6% completions
163.7 ypg
1.1 td%
6.7 int%
1/6 td/int
38.7 rating

When they won, he was pretty damn good. Still threw too many interceptions but was otherwise very, very solid. But when they lost, he was pretty sad.
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So impressive to see how guys like Montana and Aikman took it to another level in the biggest games.


Has always been the thing that separates the elite athletes … those two and guys like Jordan and Bird … from the very good ones.
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