Let's go Yankees

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I love the Phillies and this thread!

Go Phillies and Thank you Gales and RHT!!!

It will be a LONG series but I there is no way we could have had a better start. Wish Lee could pitch all 7 games.. I'm confident with Pedro, he has been terrific so far with us. Win or lose, he's the right call for Game 2. Worried about Hamels though, but I think they will only start him once this series.

Howard kept it going.. hit some lefty's (supposedly the best lefty in the game -though lee may disagree) . Here's hoping Utley stays hot... I was upset when Utley didnt score off Howard's double in the first.. but then when Victorino got thrown out at home on Howard's double in the 9th.. i realized why Utley stayed at third. MAN that is a short right field.

not worried about it , even if we go down 0-2 , we can still come back and win with this team

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

not worried about it , even if we go down 0-2 , we can still come back and win with this team

Of course you can, this is baseball and anything can happen. And it is the Yankees. This will be a good, long, series.. But you have no clue about the team you are facing.

Very excited for tonites game already... GO PHILLIES!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Of course you can, this is baseball and anything can happen. And it is the Yankees. This will be a good, long, series.. But you have no clue about the team you are facing.

Very excited for tonites game already... GO PHILLIES!

what do you mean ? was that not there best pitcher last night, do you really expect pedro and hamels to pitch like lee???

burnett is better than pedro
pettite is better than hamels

i wouldn't trade starters with you in the next 2 games

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

not worried about it , even if we go down 0-2 , we can still come back and win with this team

You are already thinking about losing tonight? Thats not a very confident fan talking. I think the key to this series is Game 3. Whoever wins that game wins the series.

Utley is some kind of guy, aint he? As modest as the Northeast winters are long. And people wonder why A Rod is so hated and Utley is so loved?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

You are already thinking about losing tonight? Thats not a very confident fan talking. I think the key to this series is Game 3. Whoever wins that game wins the series.

Utley is some kind of guy, aint he? As modest as the Northeast winters are long. And people wonder why A Rod is so hated and Utley is so loved?

won't bother me a bit, i would like to win tonight

if hamels is so good why is he not pitching tonight?

pedro in the cold weather in october , not worried a bit tim , even if we lose tonight we can still win

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

what do you mean ? was that not there best pitcher last night, do you really expect pedro and hamels to pitch like lee???

burnett is better than pedro
pettite is better than hamels

i wouldn't trade starters with you in the next 2 games

was that not YOUR best pitcher also?? this is great stuff gAles!!

And you also said CC was better than Lee, so take a look at your track record here..

I wouldnt trade line-ups with you in the next 2 games. Burnett is a righty and we are much better against righty's. Like I said, the Phils are not intimidated by any pitcher, let alone AJ Burnett and Andy Pettite.

I'll give you Pettite over Hamels for sure (the way they are pitching now) but if you would actually pay attention to the way Pedro has pitched its a wash at the very least. Lee killed the Yankee's with his command last night... Pedro is still one of the best in the whole univerise when it comes to command. this isnt the 2008 Mets Pedro we are talking about. He's healthy, happy, and confident. And still a 3 time Cy Young winner and one of the greatest pitchers (even though he cheated) in history.

Its gonna be a good game and could easily go either way, just dont understand all the yankee confidence. But I like it.. I love being the underdog.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

won't bother me a bit, i would like to win tonight

if hamels is so good why is he not pitching tonight?

pedro in the cold weather in october , not worried a bit tim , even if we lose tonight we can still win

um because he's not pitching good. Where did you get that statement from, your ass?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

was that not YOUR best pitcher also?? this is great stuff gAles!!

And you also said CC was better than Lee, so take a look at your track record here..

I wouldnt trade line-ups with you in the next 2 games. Burnett is a righty and we are much better against righty's. Like I said, the Phils are not intimidated by any pitcher, let alone AJ Burnett and Andy Pettite.

I'll give you Pettite over Hamels for sure (the way they are pitching now) but if you would actually pay attention to the way Pedro has pitched its a wash at the very least. Lee killed the Yankee's with his command last night... Pedro is still one of the best in the whole univerise when it comes to command. this isnt the 2008 Mets Pedro we are talking about. He's healthy, happy, and confident. And still a 3 time Cy Young winner and one of the greatest pitchers (even though he cheated) in history.

Its gonna be a good game and could easily go either way, just dont understand all the yankee confidence. But I like it.. I love being the underdog.

how much do you want to be that pedro will not last a full 5 innings tonight in the cold?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how much do you want to be that pedro will not last a full 5 innings tonight in the cold?

I dont bet my team or mush my team. I dont make predictions but I will stick up for my team.


So nothing.. how bout that?

[docicu3]

One of the most underrated talents in this series is Pedro. Giving him the ball in game 2 is a potential series changing move. There are throwers with talent in this series and there are pitchers who baffle hitters to the point of dominance.

Pedro is a smart, albeit old, crafty vet who can still get people out, and has the ability to set up hitters like few pitchers in my lifetime. Don't underestimate Pedro in Game 2.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont bet my team or mush my team. I dont make predictions but I will stick up for my team.


So nothing.. how bout that?

cc is better than lee - he wasn't last night but overall he is a little better

burnett is better than pedro by a larger margin than the above

pettite is better than hamels by a larger margin than both of the above

i personally don't think pedro can pitch in the cold anymore , it will be in the 50's come game time , if he goes the full 5 against this lineup i will be shocked

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

cc is better than lee - he wasn't last night but overall he is a little better

burnett is better than pedro by a larger margin than the above

pettite is better than hamels by a larger margin than both of the above

i personally don't think pedro can pitch in the cold anymore , it will be in the 50's come game time , if he goes the full 5 against this lineup i will be shocked

i personally dont think you have any idea what you are talking about... but keep on keeping on!

[MaTH716]

My confidence is definitley a bit shaken (not that I thought the Yanks are/were a lock to win it anyway).
The only positive that I can take out of last nights game is that CC didn't have his best stuff and only gave up 2 runs.
I'm not sure that Cliff Lee can be as dominate again (even though he has been lights out so far in the playoffs).

Otherwise,
The Yanks bullpen has issues.
Texieria, Matsui, Swisher, Cano just not hitting. Jeter and A-Rod can only carry a team so far.
No real other option on the bench to Sub for someone. Phils have such a gut of Left handers that kind of keeps Hinske on the bench (although wouldn't be suprised to see to see him tonight)
The choke factor, even though the are the defending world champs they seemed very loose last night. They are a good team and they know it.
Bombers seemed a bit tight last night and never got the hit or rally early enough to loosen up and get in the game. If they fall behind again tonight, you might see them gripping those a bats even tighter trying to make something happen. There is a ton of pressure on them.
The Girardi factor/small ball. They just refuse to play small ball when needed. Last night with Matsui on first and Cano up (who really has not hit much in the playoffs) and down a run. Let's him swing away and e hits into a DP.

So there are issues. Either Gales and other people don't want to admit it or they just don't believe it, but they are there. I do think that they will shell Pedro tonight. But with that being said I can also see Burnett giving up a few crooked numbers too. Probably will come down to which bullpen does the best damage control tonight. It just feels like a 9-8 game tonight and hopefully the Bombers come out on top.
Not in Panic mode, but I'm definitely concerned.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i personally dont think you have any idea what you are talking about... but keep on keeping on!

tell me where i am wrong

burnett is not better than pedro

pettite is not better than hamels

why would pedro all of a sudden become a good pitcher in cold weather when he hasn't pitched well in the last 5 yrs in cold weather.....maybe burnett blows up to and the philly bullpen wins the game , but, where is your faith in pedro to go more than 5 innings , he went 7 against the dodgers , do you not think he can do it tonight???

i'll take the matchups the next 2 games everyday of the week ..... the yankees will be favored in both of the next games becuase they have the better starting pitcher

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

My confidence is definitley a bit shaken (not that I thought the Yanks are/were a lock to win it anyway).
The only positive that I can take out of last nights game is that CC didn't have his best stuff and only gave up 2 runs.
I'm not sure that Cliff Lee can be as dominate again (even though he has been lights out so far in the playoffs).

Otherwise,
The Yanks bullpen has issues.
Texieria, Matsui, Swisher, Cano just not hitting. Jeter and A-Rod can only carry a team so far.
No real other option on the bench to Sub for someone. Phils have such a gut of Left handers that kind of keeps Hinske on the bench (although wouldn't be suprised to see to see him tonight)
The choke factor, even though the are the defending world champs they seemed very loose last night. They are a good team and they know it.
Bombers seemed a bit tight last night and never got the hit or rally early enough to loosen up and get in the game. If they fall behind again tonight, you might see them gripping those a bats even tighter trying to make something happen. There is a ton of pressure on them.
The Girardi factor/small ball. They just refuse to play small ball when needed. Last night with Matsui on first and Cano up (who really has not hit much in the playoffs) and down a run. Let's him swing away and e hits into a DP.

So there are issues. Either Gales and other people don't want to admit it or they just don't believe it, but they are there. I do think that they will shell Pedro tonight. But with that being said I can also see Burnett giving up a few crooked numbers too. Probably will come down to which bullpen does the best damage control tonight. It just feels like a 9-8 game tonight and hopefully the Bombers come out on top.
Not in Panic mode, but I'm definitely concerned.

i think both pitchers could blow up tonight, i just think the odds favor pedro blowing up more than burnett

[MaTH716]

Gales, Would you consider Pedro a big game pitcher?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Gales, Would you consider Pedro a big game pitcher?

in his prime yes

not anymore though

[Gander]

Its baseball, not tennis. Pitching matchups mean very little, especially in the post season. It does not matter who is better than who by the smallest of margins. As important as pitching is, there is more to winning baseball games.

And last night it wasnt Cliff Lee vs CC Sabbathia. What a joke, the 2 didnt face each other. It was played in an American League Stadium and the pitchers dont even bat. Even if it was played in Philadelphia and bothe pitchers batted 3-4 times, big deal. Its the other 25 batters that these guys are facing, not each other.

I hate the cliche of pitching matchups. Its really dumb when you think about it. The way people talked about CC vs Cliff Lee, you would think they were talking about 2 guys facing off in the finals of Wimbledon with nobody else factoring into the outcome.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

tell me where i am wrong

burnett is not better than pedro

pettite is not better than hamels

why would pedro all of a sudden become a good pitcher in cold weather when he hasn't pitched well in the last 5 yrs in cold weather.....maybe burnett blows up to and the philly bullpen wins the game , but, where is your faith in pedro to go more than 5 innings , he went 7 against the dodgers , do you not think he can do it tonight???

i'll take the matchups the next 2 games everyday of the week ..... the yankees will be favored in both of the next games becuase they have the better starting pitcher

Here's the big difference between you and I gales. You are so concerned about two guys, AJ Burnett and Pedro Martinez. When I know we have 9 guys (well 10 when we are playing AL style) that can do anything at any time. Pedro is only one part of the equation gales. This is a team game. Phillies play the best team game of anyone of any sport I can ever think of.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Here's the big difference between you and I gales. You are so concerned about two guys, AJ Burnett and Pedro Martinez. When I know we have 9 guys (well 10 when we are playing AL style) that can do anything at any time. Pedro is only one part of the equation gales. This is a team game. Phillies play the best team game of anyone of any sport I can ever think of.

pitching wins in the playoffs , and in the regular season .... it's how odds are computed in vegas ..... do you think if Gaudin was starting tonight instead of Pedro the yanks would be -170 ???

that being said anything can happen in 1 game , but mlb odds are set based on starting pitching

lee offered value last night , i don't see pedro offering it, if you bet the phillies tonight you need your bullpen to win the game in my opinion (which could happen)