Who Is Horse Of The Year?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Do you know how easy it is to make up another account and vote multiple times? I call for all Zenyatta voters to own up and let us know who you are. Or Steve can go in and take a look and see how many people voted yet have no posts on the board.

Zenyatta vote here, because I remember RA's defining race as the Breeders Cup Classic her owner hide from. No guts no glory.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They don't like SoCal and/or Synthetic. Just vote, and forget this effort. One horse is drawing away (with gusto) in one of the 2 biggest purse races in the world. She showed up on the biggest stage, and romped. Simply fkn romped, and still what do you hear? "She didn't do enough." Neither did anything wrong, but R.A. didn't even run in the biggest race for 3 year olds this year( K Derby.) She's a 3 year old. If you want to match up with Zenyata, then you should at least have won the biggest race for a 3 year old, or won this race that Zenyata showed up for. Zenyata won the biggest race she could of been in this year. She's the only filly or mare to win this race. Hasn't ever been done (in the 25 year history.) Winning Colors won the Derby. R.A. didn't even run in it. She won a Triple Crown race. Then, she ducked both the Belmont and BC Classic. Hey, if you want to ignore the mare that accomplished the biggest feat (for her sex) in 25 years of horseracing, then you go right ahead. Surely, R.A. winning those other races was more important to ya.

Where were you? You do live in LA?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

Canada,United kingdom,France United Arab Emirats,Irerland,United States and I believe Italy

You do realize that Gio Ponti really isn't Italian don't you?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They don't like SoCal and/or Synthetic. Just vote, and forget this effort. One horse is drawing away (with gusto) in one of the 2 biggest purse races in the world. She showed up on the biggest stage, and romped. Simply fkn romped, and still what do you hear? "She didn't do enough." Neither did anything wrong, but R.A. didn't even run in the biggest race for 3 year olds this year( K Derby.) She's a 3 year old. If you want to match up with Zenyata, then you should at least have won the biggest race for a 3 year old, or won this race that Zenyata showed up for. Zenyata won the biggest race she could of been in this year. She's the only filly or mare to win this race. Hasn't ever been done (in the 25 year history.) Winning Colors won the Derby. R.A. didn't even run in it. She won a Triple Crown race. Then, she ducked both the Belmont and BC Classic. Hey, if you want to ignore the mare that accomplished the biggest feat (for her sex) in 25 years of horseracing, then you go right ahead. Surely, R.A. winning those other races was more important to ya. At some point, doing something your sex hasn't come close to doing in 25 years should get a little respect.

Scuds= just another Cal bred who can't separate one race from a campaign.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Where were you? You do live in LA?

Already had people chores that day. I don't find it attractive to pay money to get into to give up %. I only went a couple times this year. I said hi to Vic Stauffer. I told him his rider gave a great ride in the 1st race, and he said "thanks buddy." After the 1st week at Del Mar, I told him he n' Joel might need to share a V-8. I think I may have pointed out the lovely ground-losing ride on Maui Mark in the 5th race on 7-25. He had a distinctly negative response to that, and told me my messages were no longer welcome.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Scuds= just another Cal bred who can't separate one race from a campaign.

What campaign can match a filly or mare winning a 5 million dollar race in that fashion? She aced the final exam, slept with teacher, and mopped the floor.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What campaign can match a filly or mare winning a 5 million dollar race in that fashion? She aced the final exam, slept with teacher, and mopped the floor.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

You and that Simon Trainer both do this. No information is transmitted. It's akin to "sticking one's tongue out."

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You and that Simon Trainer both do this. No information is transmitted. It's akin to "sticking one's tongue out."

Haha, rarely actually but when you say something silly there is not much to respond to. I guess you missed the Haskell.

[DaTruth]

Ten furlongs on conventional dirt. Icon Project vs Zenyatta. Who finishes in front?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They don't like SoCal and/or Synthetic. Just vote, and forget this effort. One horse is drawing away (with gusto) in one of the 2 biggest purse races in the world. She showed up on the biggest stage, and romped. Simply fkn romped, and still what do you hear? "She didn't do enough." Neither did anything wrong, but R.A. didn't even run in the biggest race for 3 year olds this year( K Derby.) She's a 3 year old. If you want to match up with Zenyata, then you should at least have won the biggest race for a 3 year old, or won this race that Zenyata showed up for. Zenyata won the biggest race she could of been in this year. She's the only filly or mare to win this race. Hasn't ever been done (in the 25 year history.) Winning Colors won the Derby. R.A. didn't even run in it. She won a Triple Crown race. Then, she ducked both the Belmont and BC Classic. Hey, if you want to ignore the mare that accomplished the biggest feat (for her sex) in 25 years of horseracing, then you go right ahead. Surely, R.A. winning those other races was more important to ya. At some point, doing something your sex hasn't come close to doing in 25 years should get a little respect.

I would also add this, they are great conspiracists, a very defensive bunch these RA fans are, try not to hurt their feelings too much Scuds, we know who delivered on the biggest day of racing.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I've been looking through a few of CSC's older posts on this subject, and there are certainly some doozies. His tune has certainly changed since this one from 9/24/09:

I brought this up last month, Summer Bird is the only horse that could knock off RA for HOY, though admittidely it is remote with voters most likely swooning at her this yr. If he can win the JCGC convincingly, and then win the BC convincingly he may sway some votes away from her, in essence it's not enough that he wins these 2 races but do so in an Arazi like fashion.

Zenyatta has zero chance at HOY with her 09 campaign.

Not really illustrative of the anti-Rachel Alexandra bias, but it's telling that six weeks ago, Zenyatta had "zero chance" and now she's his rock-solid choice for horse of the year.

This thread is also a fun one. You can substitute Zenyatta for Summer Bird in nearly every case and it's relatively the same argument:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...r+bird+trainer

On a complete side note, did anybody notice Jerry Bailey use the word "crossfire" in describing Mastercraftsman's awful move down the stretch on Saturday?

3051 posts and this is it? I'm guilty...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by CSC

I would also add this, they are great conspiracists, a very defensive bunch these RA fans are, try not to hurt their feelings too much Scuds, we know who delivered on the biggest day of racing.

Well, I think most of us are fans of both of these horses. They both had great years. Fact is one of them has earned more money in this country in 2009 than any other horse. Last week it was that she hadn't beaten anybody, or run fast enough. She put that to rest, and she's won more money. Last year, it was that she couldn't do it on dirt. She went to O.P., and put that to rest. To me, a mare winning more money in the U.S. than anyone, and winning the biggest race this country has, is better than a 3 year old filly beating older males. The connections of R.A. left the door open. Someone stepped up to the plate, n' took care of business(with ears pricked crossing the wire.)

Zenyata: $3,330,000
Rachel Alexandra $2,746,914
Gio Ponti $2,333,000
Summer Bird $2,323,040
Mine That Bird $1,892,200

[CSC]

What I said all along was unless someone stepped up at the BC, RA was the HOY. I think Steve summed it up perfectly on his show I am paraphrasing but we were so conditioned to believe that Zenyatta's 90's beyers were the correct measure of her that we fail to realize races are run on the track and not on paper, I was one of those that underestimated her that when she ran her race, it totally knocked me over when you saw what she did.

Of note Jon White had a great explanation of the process of choosing HOY, it really is an open ended process without any specific critaria where the voter has the freedom to choose whoever they deem as worthy, so if people want to choose RA, I can certainly see why and I wouldn't call someone crazy if they do, I don't agree with those who say it would be a travesty of Zenyatta would get the nod and in all seriousness I can respect what both horses have done to see it both ways. But to me the BC Classic was the 'game changer' that I don't think many saw coming and that was enough to make me change my mind on her.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Gander

This is why, awards are so silly and meaningless. Their extremely biased.

gander is the voice of reason. who cares? its the opinion and vote of a bunch of people. they are not racing each other. both sides have made me laugh. the thread where rachel is better than ruffian is a hoot. considering ruffian broke more records than zenyatta and rachel combined. but anyway there are good reasons for both winning. that being said, i had to vote for rachel. i kind of see horse of the year as a fan thing so any horse that runs on different tracks at different states would get my vote. yes , her campaign was planned to win this by summers end, but she won them all. plus, both races have there weaknesses. the woodward was second rate horses and the breeders cup "classic" is called a "classic" on pro ride where the dirt horses don't seem to have a shot at all. bottom line rachel exposed herself to more fans, more races on different tracks and won them all. the lesson should be "take it on the road or stay home and shut up when you are passed over". both are great horses though.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What campaign can match a filly or mare winning a 5 million dollar race in that fashion? She aced the final exam, slept with teacher, and mopped the floor.

This makes no sense. Let me try and figure this out.

Lets say school starts in Sept. you show up a couple times a week, you pick the test that you want to take, miss all the major tests during the school year and come June, final exam time you show up take the test ace it with and A. Does this annoint you an A for the entire school year?????? I didnt think so.
You can't coast all year and expect to show up at the end ace one test and expect eveything that happened all year will go away. Stupid analogy

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by kgar311

This makes no sense. Let me try and figure this out.

Lets say school starts in Sept. you show up a couple times a week, you pick the test that you want to take, miss all the major tests during the school year and come June, final exam time you show up take the test ace it with and A. Does this annoint you an A for the entire school year?????? I didnt think so.
You can't coast all year and expect to show up at the end ace one test and expect eveything that happened all year will go away. Stupid analogy

History,,,,,,,,,,,,, just might remember the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic as the race RA skipped to avoid Zenyatta. Thats the story I will tell.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

History,,,,,,,,,,,,, just might remember the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic as the race RA skipped to avoid Zenyatta. Thats the story I will tell.

Ill tell the story of how Zenyatta ducked, bobbed, weaved and avoided all major races an entire lifetime then picked a spot to go against the boys, with home field advantage against a group of unproven horses on polycrap in which all of them were spinning their wheels at the top of the stretch.
Rachel did more in just two races this year than Zenyatta did in an entire lifetime.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

I love this fillie and give her all the credit due but the fact remains she did not face a field 1/2 as accomplished as Zennadda

I'm not sure who Zennadda is....

You mean the big filly who outfinished the horse Interpretation outfinished four weeks earlier?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

History,,,,,,,,,,,,, just might remember the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic as the race RA skipped to avoid Zenyatta. Thats the story I will tell.

Oh yea and this just proved that you have a racing iq of like zero. Ducked Zenyatta are you mentally retarded. The decision was made that Rachel would not race on polycrap before they even bought her. Zenyatta didnt even decide to race in the classic until a week before the race, well after Rachel was shut down for the year. You act like Zenyattas pus sy owners had her planned to go the classic all year long, they were shi*ting their pants making the decision to put her in there.

You my fine sir are what we call a complete idiot.