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[gales0678]

Now today at the PBKC i got to see some other poeple complain about Ramon D outside of the ny city otb's

The ride on the #7 Wester Deed at the end was downright laughable

I didn't have him or the winner , but , if you bet on the 7 they should give you your $$$$ back

The winner the #2 was all out barley hanging on and Ramon quits riding before the finish just terrible

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Now today at the PBKC i got to see some other poeple complain about Ramon D outside of the ny city otb's

The ride on the #7 Wester Deed at the end was downright laughable

I didn't have him or the winner , but , if you bet on the 7 they should give you your $$$$ back

The winner the #2 was all out barley hanging on and Ramon quits riding before the finish just terrible

Did they catch his rides on Stud Muffin, Fortyninegeorgest, or No More Stress? Or the four wins on Friday? Or the three on Thursday?

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Did they catch his rides on Stud Muffin, Fortyninegeorgest, or No More Stress? Or the four wins on Friday? Or the three on Thursday?

NT

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking aobut and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking aobut and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

I didn't think at any point in time he was getting by Marina Market. But that might be where we differ in opinion.

You are picking out one ride for a guy who rides approximately 6-7 per day, who are always bet, and are thus under the most scrutiny. Picking out one poor ride (and this ride was bad long before the stretch, he went about 97 wide around the turn) is really unfair.

As far as the similarities between the people at NYC OTB and the Palm Beach Kennel Club, yeah....

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I didn't think at any point in time he was getting by Marina Market. But that might be where we differ in opinion.

You are picking out one ride for a guy who rides approximately 6-7 per day, who are always bet, and are thus under the most scrutiny. Picking out one poor ride (and this ride was bad long before the stretch, he went about 97 wide around the turn) is really unfair.

As far as the similarities between the people at NYC OTB and the Palm Beach Kennel Club, yeah....

NT

it one thnig to have a poor ride , it's another to completely shut down a horse before the wire when the horse in front of you is backing up , maybe he still loses even if he tries , but , it's inexcusible for the top jockey at the meet to ever quit on a mount unless the horse is hurt .....explain to me how why he should have qut riding in that spot today?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

it one thnig to have a poor ride , it's another to completely shut down a horse before the wire when the horse in front of you is backing up , maybe he still loses even if he tries , but , it's inexcusible for the top jockey at the meet to ever quit on a mount unless the horse is hurt .....explain to me how why he should have qut riding in that spot today?

You must love Kent Desormeaux.

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You must love Kent Desormeaux.

NT

actually solis . but , he blew one too yesterday at SA

[3kings]

Originally Posted by gales0678

there in lies the problem , why if he can give thoughs rides , he gives up on a 7-1 shot who had a tiring horse measured? i mean scav could have been on the 7 in the 5th today and get by that 2 who was done

i find it interesting that i am told people at the otb don't know what they are talking about and are the worse , but ,here i am in another state whole new set of people and it's the same old song , what in the world was ramon doing

People complain when they bet a horse and it loses. It can't be they were wrong it has to be the jockey, the trainer, the track etc.......... They are just venting and have to blame someone other than them self, why is this so hard for you to understand. Most people lose money betting horses and this is how they justify it. Few people realize it's just their poor opinion.

In all walks of life people make poor judgements or good judgements that don't work out. Being a jockey is no different.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by 3kings

People complain when they bet a horse and it loses. It can't be they were wrong it has to be the jockey, the trainer, the track etc.......... They are just venting and have to blame someone other than them self, why is this so hard for you to understand. Most people lose money betting horses and this is how they justify it. Few people realize it's just their poor opinion.

Originally Posted by 3kings

In all walks of life people make poor judgements or good judgements that don't work out. Being a jockey is no different.

i agree with all of that , but there were 5 of us there , none of us had the winner or the 7 we all used some combo of the 6, 8 , 10 ..... we were all losing no matter what the finish was of the top two horses

[the_fat_man]

It's really all about perspective. I had a 2-7 box in the race and never doubted that the 2 was home. My concern was whether the 7 would hold on for 2nd, as the horse was clearly struggling the length of the stretch. The most brutal beats are the ones that happen late.

Most jocks wouldn't be able to grasp that they couldn't get to the winner and push their horse needlessly and lose 2nd --- even to a tired horse like the 6, in the race in question. Ramon's just a few notches above the others.

Of course, just as the other jocks can't duplicate his rides (they just lack the skills), some handicappers can't appreciate a good ride.

And this is really what makes an otherwise unbeatable game beatable.

[GPK]

I just watched the replay 3 times. Come on Marty. There wasn't a chance in hell that Western Deed was gonna get to the winner before the wire. To hear you describe it, I thought I was gonna see him stand up long before the wire. I could see someone getting pissed if he had got nipped for 2nd by not "riding out", but not a chance in hell he was getting the win.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

I just watched the replay 3 times. Come on Marty. There wasn't a chance in hell that Western Deed was gonna get to the winner before the wire. To hear you describe it, I thought I was gonna see him stand up long before the wire. I could see someone getting pissed if he had got nipped for 2nd by not "riding out", but not a chance in hell he was getting the win.

whether he gets to him or not , the question is why is the jockey on the winner all out (and tiring) and ramon has his horse under wraps - listen if it was the same cast of characters in ny otb i could see your point , but , this was a whole new group of people at the PBKC who saw it the way i am telling you guys

kev - your a fan of borel , i heard it out of your mouth at the spa 2 yrs ago after a turf race where he just kept coming and got 2nd , almost getting to the winner, do you really think calvin would have given up at anytime before the wire with that tiring rat in front of him???

i guess if you are at an otb or an outlet like the PBKC your opinion means squat because the fat man has spoken

[GPK]

How far before the wire do you think he quit riding? and can you HONESTLY say that you think he would have gotten to the winner if he rode out the race?

[blackthroatedwind]

Anybody that actually watched this race and doesn't realize the 6 was significantly best should watch 1000 races in a darkened room before being allowed to ever comment on a trip again.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

How far before the wire do you think he quit riding? and can you HONESTLY say that you think he would have gotten to the winner if he rode out the race?

at least the last 10 yds from what i remembered , i dont have replays

as for the 2nd question , i don't know . but you never answered my question about borel and what he would have done?

traffic trouble happens kev , and there are simply bad rides , but when the EFFORT stops it's simply inexcuisible

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Anybody that actually watched this race and doesn't realize the 6 was significantly best should watch 1000 races in a darkened room before being allowed to ever comment on a trip again.

that may be true but that still does't mean Ramon shouldn't be trying at the end on his mount

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Anybody that actually watched this race and doesn't realize the 6 was significantly best should watch 1000 races in a darkened room before being allowed to ever comment on a trip again.

Without question he was best. Shuffled back horribly and completely blocked as they began to turn for home. Had to swing widest of them of all. If he gets the same trip Western Deed gets, he wins the race no problem.

[MaTH716]

Marty, I think you are grasping at straws here. He wasn't getting the winner. You would think if he didn't break a step slow, that he would have been much closer to the front and in a better position to get to the 2.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

at least the last 10 yds from what i remembered , i dont have replays

as for the 2nd question , i don't know . but you never answered my question about borel and what he would have done?

traffic trouble happens kev , and there are simply bad rides , but when the EFFORT stops it's simply inexcuisible

Borel would have rode out to the wire....and also finished 2nd

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Borel would have rode out to the wire....and also finished 2nd

thank you for your honest answer