Good Article About Clinton

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

LOL!!!
Not my intention to give you a "brain cramp".
Should I call 911?

No thanks, it passed...close though!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You live in a dream world if you think that Clinton "took Wallace apart". The only thing Clinton did was make a fool of himself.

There was nothing for Clinton "take a apart". There was no debate going on. Wallace asked him a simple question. You can't take a guy apart who asky you a simple question. That is why Clinton made such a fool of himself.

Forget about what partisans think. I'm sure that very liberal democrats think that Clinton did great in the interview. I'm sure that conservative republicans think that Clinton made a fool of himself. The important thing is what non-partisan people think. If you think that non-partisan people think Clinton handled himself well in that interview, you are sadly mistaken.

Moderate Republican here, traditional fiscal conservative/social moderate type.

I think Clinton ripped Wallace a new one. MIKE Wallace would NEVER have let that happen. That's one point. The second point is Chris Wallace is a smirker as are lots of the Fox people. Third, Clinton is right about a lot of the points he made. You certainly can't believe Clinton "made it all up" can you?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Ummm...read the CIA reports Rupert. Even after the CIA made it clear to Bush and company that Iraq had no ties to Al Quada, the president and the vice president still made that one of the reasons to go to war. Shall i pull the story or will you take my word for it?

I don't think that's true. Tell me specifically what Bush and Cheney said about a possible Iraq and Al Qadea connection that was disputed by the CIA. If the CIA said that they couldn't prove there were any direct ties to Al Qadea, that does not mean that they were saying that Iraq does not sponsor terrorism. It doesn't even necessarily mean that they didn't think there was a connection between Al Qadea and Iraq. They may have suspected it, but just couldn't prove it. You need to know the exact wording before you say that anyone lied.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Moderate Republican here, traditional fiscal conservative/social moderate type.

I think Clinton ripped Wallace a new one. MIKE Wallace would NEVER have let that happen. That's one point. The second point is Chris Wallace is a smirker as are lots of the Fox people. Third, Clinton is right about a lot of the points he made. You certainly can't believe Clinton "made it all up" can you?

S2S: great first line! I disagree with your assesment of Clinton! He's been pouting since the docudrama played and now he gets to get pissy with "all you rightwingers" Where's that wondrus thick skin he had during his Presidency?? Chris Wallace showed deference to a past President, and rather than rising above the fray, Bubba chose to give us a 'little piece of his heart" and as usual,displayed his skewed vision of History!

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=dalakhani]Obviously none of you have ever been associated with anyone of celebrity so i will inform you of how interviews work.

As usual, you are totally wrong. I grew up in Beverly Hills and am from a show business family. I have been more than associated with plenty of celebrities. I have had lunch, dinner, gone to the track with, gone to their homes, and played golf with plenty of celebrities.

So much for your assessment that "none of us have ever been associated with anyone of celebrity." I'm not bragging. There's nothing for me to brag about. I'm not a celebrity. I'm just telling you that your assessment was wrong.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Moderate Republican here, traditional fiscal conservative/social moderate type.

I think Clinton ripped Wallace a new one. MIKE Wallace would NEVER have let that happen. That's one point. The second point is Chris Wallace is a smirker as are lots of the Fox people. Third, Clinton is right about a lot of the points he made. You certainly can't believe Clinton "made it all up" can you?

I have heard both sides of the story. I think there is some truth to some of the things Clinton said. As I said earlier, this is sort of like listening to a prosecutor or a defense attorney. They are usually only go to tell you half the story. It can be very misleading if you don't know the other half of the story.

If you read the 9/11 report, you see that Berger and Clinton dragged their feet on several occassions when it came to going after Bin Laden.

Incidentally, Wallace and Clinton did not have a debate so you can't say that Clinton ripped Wallace a new one. Wallace did not atempt to dispute anything Clinton said. If he wanted to, he certainly could have. He could have quoted excerpts from the 9/11 report. He could have quoted Clinton's formwer CIA director Woolsey who said that Clinton wouldn't even meet with him for a year. Clinton was so serious about fighting terrorism, that he wouldn't even meet with his CIA director.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Moderate Republican here, traditional fiscal conservative/social moderate type.

I think Clinton ripped Wallace a new one. MIKE Wallace would NEVER have let that happen. That's one point. The second point is Chris Wallace is a smirker as are lots of the Fox people. Third, Clinton is right about a lot of the points he made. You certainly can't believe Clinton "made it all up" can you?

Yeah, ole Mike really held his own with Ahmadinejad.. In both of their defenses, what is the interviewer going to do?

Ez

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by ezrabrooks

Yeah, ole Mike really held his own with Ahmadinejad.. In both of their defenses, what is the interviewer going to do?

Ez

You got a point,Ez! It's not like we can tie 'em down,right? Hey! That could be a new reality series(A quasi-political truth or dare) How 'bout that,DTS??

[ArlJim78]

What I saw wasn't a debate, it was Clinton filibustering. He didn't take Wallace apart, far from it. He looked like a rank amatuer who was out to make a big score on Fox and rip the network up and down. He was prepared to say exactly everything he said. He didn't even need Wallace to ask a question.

He did not come across with any dignity or statesmanship that you would expect from a former president. No surprise though, he never treated the office as anything special when he held it. Think about any other former president making such a red-faced spectacle of himself. and he was concerned that Chris was smirking at him? Oh too bad, the former president let an interviewer's smirk get to him.

If he had all the facts on his side he could have just engaged Wallace and answered the questions matter of factly. the reason he can't try that approach, he doesn't have facts on his side and it hurts him so he points and jabs his finger 100 times and talks about media conspiracies as if that somehow makes him correct.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

What I saw wasn't a debate, it was Clinton filibustering. He didn't take Wallace apart, far from it. He looked like a rank amatuer who was out to make a big score on Fox and rip the network up and down. He was prepared to say exactly everything he said. He didn't even need Wallace to ask a question.

He did not come across with any dignity or statesmanship that you would expect from a former president. No surprise though, he never treated the office as anything special when he held it. Think about any other former president making such a red-faced spectacle of himself. and he was concerned that Chris was smirking at him? Oh too bad, the former president let an interviewer's smirk get to him.

If he had all the facts on his side he could have just engaged Wallace and answered the questions matter of factly. the reason he can't try that approach, he doesn't have facts on his side and it hurts him so he points and jabs his finger 100 times and talks about media conspiracies as if that somehow makes him correct.

Nothing like the dignity and statesmanship of one dick cheney as he yelled across the senate floor "go F yourself"? yep, dignity.

By "facts", do you mean the ones that the 9/11 commission used in commending Clinton for his efforts in trying to get Bin Laden? Yep, those facts.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think that's true. Tell me specifically what Bush and Cheney said about a possible Iraq and Al Qadea connection that was disputed by the CIA. If the CIA said that they couldn't prove there were any direct ties to Al Qadea, that does not mean that they were saying that Iraq does not sponsor terrorism. It doesn't even necessarily mean that they didn't think there was a connection between Al Qadea and Iraq. They may have suspected it, but just couldn't prove it. You need to know the exact wording before you say that anyone lied.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn..._2.html?sub=AR

Sorry Rupert. Read it and weep.

[Danzig]

[quote=dalakhani]Nothing like the dignity and statesmanship of one dick cheney as he yelled across the senate floor "go F yourself"? yep, dignity.

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you sure make a lot of 'two wrongs make a right' arguments, don't you?

[timmgirvan]

Yes he does...and I believe Cheney was about 4 ft from the guy, and well, he probably deserved it,lol!

[Danzig]

i just don't get it....well, maybe i do. some folks are either/or so i guess those folks think everyone is that way. so if i pick on clinton, in some minds i'm a bush fan. um, yeah, sure.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i just don't get it....well, maybe i do. some folks are either/or so i guess those folks think everyone is that way. so if i pick on clinton, in some minds i'm a bush fan. um, yeah, sure.

Danzig: it's easier to fit the blocks into the puzzle that way!

[dalakhani]

[quote=Danzig188]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Nothing like the dignity and statesmanship of one dick cheney as he yelled across the senate floor "go F yourself"? yep, dignity.

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you sure make a lot of 'two wrongs make a right' arguments, don't you?

And it sure would be nice if some of the "wrongs" were listed on here that were made by those on the "right".

Fair and balanced right?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn..._2.html?sub=AR

Sorry Rupert. Read it and weep.

What did the article say? It did not say that the CIA concluded that the meeting betwen Atta and Iraqi agents did not take place. It said that the report cast doubts about the meeting. There is a big difference.

The same thing can be said for everyting else in the article. There was nothing in there that specicfically contradicted anything that Bush or Cheney said. Juts because it said that Hussein generally viewed extremists as a threat, that does not mean that he never aided extremists.

I can't tell you that I know for a fact that Bush never said anything that he knew wasn't true, but as of right now I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that Bush purposefully lied. He basically did the same thing that you have been doing throughout this thread. He simply believed what he wanted to believe. He gladly accepted evidence that supported what he believed, yet ignored evidence that contradicted what he believed.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What did the article say? It did not say that the CIA concluded that the meeting betwen Atta and Iraqi agents did not take place. It said that the report cast doubts about the meeting. There is a big difference.

The same thing can be said for everyting else in the article. There was nothing in there that specicfically contradicted anything that Bush or Cheney said. Juts because it said that Hussein generally viewed extremists as a threat, that does not mean that he never aided extremists.

I can't tell you that I know for a fact that Bush never said anything that he knew wasn't true, but as of right now I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that Bush purposefully lied. He basically did the same thing that you have been doing throughout this thread. He simply believed what he wanted to believe. He gladly accepted evidence that supported what he believed, yet ignored evidence that contradicted what he believed.

And you have been Mr openminded? Please.

If you dont believe reports from your own CIA, then what do you believe? And how can you in one breath use CIA information as ammunition and then ignore it when it doesnt suit your needs?

It was obvious deception an anyone with a brain knows it.

[Danzig]

i've posted on some of those as well--thing is, this thread is about clinton, so that's why i was talking about clinton.
also, both sides do things right...er, correctly, and both do things wrong. nothing makes me shake my head more than when one party comes up with an idea, it's automatically shot down by the other....and then weeks or months later, or longer, the other party comes up with something similar, and the ones who originally had the idea, and thought it was good, suddenly are the shooters. it's a wonder anything gets accomplished!

believe me, i'm not anyone's idea of a right winger. don't go to church and fear the religious right, i'm pro-choice (altho it is unconstitutional imo!), don't care if gay people can get married, we've subscribed to playboy forever, very much a believer in the bill of rights and the constitution...basically think everyone should mind their own business....of course i also happen to be a gun owner who believes in small govt....and am a bit 'hawkish'...so the libs won't have me either. i judge each candidate on his or her own merits, and don't belong to any party. thankfully here in arkansas you don't have to register...but if i did, i'd be an independant, thus assuring that i would never be able to vote in a primary!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Nothing like the dignity and statesmanship of one dick cheney as he yelled across the senate floor "go F yourself"? yep, dignity.

By "facts", do you mean the ones that the 9/11 commission used in commending Clinton for his efforts in trying to get Bin Laden? Yep, those facts.

yeah right. Has Cheney ever appeared on TV with anything other than total class. horrible example. Dick Cheney has always been a class act. Who in public life for 40 years has never been caught with some kind of slip like that.