Is Being Gay A Choice?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Fine by me.

me too.

it's a good thing that two very, very, very straight men like you and i could agree.

no one could ever question us being gay. i mean not gay.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

said the extremely straight man.

I bet that point you made earlier about some people being in the 90%-100% range has him thinking/worried. I anticipate a post from him soon declaring that he is at least 97.4% straight.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

said the extremely straight man.

HAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY CLOWN!!!!

Ugh. Will sit back, get around to some wine in the coming hours, and then come back here.

In the meantime, I'm going to think about all the times I thought being equal and privileged was just too easy, not challenging enough, and how at the age of 9, I hatched the marvelous plan that led me to where I'm at today -- the one where I decided I wanted to pay more taxes than those who make the same amount as me in order to get healthcare, how I want to be told I can't marry someone I love, how I want to increase the chances of getting my skull bashed in at a bar, and how much more fun I figured it would be to be told I was going to hell on a daily basis rather than just accepting my privilege.

I mean, I know we're talking about albatrosses here, so my story is really irrelevant, but should anyone feel like lashing out at timm for his comment, please take my very serious testimony of how I wound up a big queer into account before taking him to task. Come on -- it just sounded more fun! Who wouldn't choose that?! I guess I'm only shocked that more people don't have the same thought process as me and go straight out to a bathhouse!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I bet that point you made earlier about some people being in the 90%-100% range has him thinking/worried. I anticipate a post from him soon declaring that he is at least 97.4% straight.

no one that deep in denial ever acknowleges any amount of gay.

he felt the need to announce he was straight because he partook in a topic about being gay. like gay was cooties and you might catch it.

timm's self assessment is 100% straight. guarenteed.

[timmgirvan]

you guys should write screenplays.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

HAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY CLOWN!!!!

Ugh. Will sit back, get around to some wine in the coming hours, and then come back here.

In the meantime, I'm going to think about all the times I thought being equal and privileged was just too easy, not challenging enough, and how at the age of 9, I hatched the marvelous plan that led me to where I'm at today -- the one where I decided I wanted to pay more taxes than those who make the same amount as me in order to get healthcare, how I want to be told I can't marry someone I love, how I want to increase the chances of getting my skull bashed in at a bar, and how much more fun I figured it would be to be told I was going to hell on a daily basis rather than just accepting my privilege.

I mean, I know we're talking about albatrosses here, so my story is really irrelevant, but should anyone feel like lashing out at timm for his comment, please take my very serious testimony of how I wound up a big queer into account before taking him to task. Come on -- it just sounded more fun! Who wouldn't choose that?! I guess I'm only shocked that more people don't have the same thought process as me and go straight out to a bathhouse!

Nice try with this emotional story but if this is part of your diabolical plot to get timm to feel bad for you so that you two become close and eventually you can put one of your gay moves on him....don't bother.
He's straight.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Nice try with this emotional story but if this is part of your diabolical plot to get timm to feel bad for you so that you two become close and eventually you can put one of your gay moves on him....don't bother.
He's straight.

Oh no, I don't wish to convert Timm, I only wish to lend credence to his idea that a story about albatrosses should not be stretched into a commentary on humans, as obviously even a diabolical 9 year old could know that nobody was BORN that way...and had to choose it.

It's obviously a choice, and one made by kids around the country every day, fully understanding the repercussions of what that choice will mean. But, really, by the time you turn 20 and realize just what a bad choice it was, how can you go back? What would your family say? What would your friends say?

I can speak from personal experience -- it's simply too late to turn back. It's just being gay on principle at this point.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'd guess that most of the republicans you talk to are comfortable having a gay friend. it's amazing how knowing someone makes it more difficult to have a set of rigid doctrinaire opinions about them.

the problem is that in many parts of this country you may have gay friends but they aren't about to tell you.

very true. I dont tell people who I think may not be comfortable with it.. I havent said a word to anyone in my family - even extended family except my Mom (who guessed it and asked me) my brother (who thought it was better than me dating dudes) and my cousin who is gay. Of course my Dad knows now and two of my Uncles found out... but 80% of my extended family I havent said a word too and dont plan on it (about my sexuality of course).

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you guys should write screenplays.

i've come up with a permanent solution to be sure no one here thinks i'm gay.

thank you.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

It isn't just the Republican leadership or a small minority of Republicans that oppose gay marriage. As of a 2008 poll anyway, 75% of all registered Republicans opposed gay marriage:
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/868/gay-marriage

I must talk to more Independent / Libertarian registered Conservatives.

But yeah... there is also a huge difference of opinion on this by age. Younger generations dont really see the big deal.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i say get married and pay taxes...other than that gl as for how repubs feel ..who knows its a funny thing fine lesbos are ok but gay men are nasty.

[ateamstupid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEKpufAeTi0

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

no one that deep in denial ever acknowleges any amount of gay.

he felt the need to announce he was straight because he partook in a topic about being gay. like gay was cooties and you might catch it.

timm's self assessment is 100% straight. guarenteed.

Timmi's not a bad guy & he was just replying to my question when he said he was straight.

I just would hope he could realize that me or BWS being gay.. or Timmi being straight.. are not "choices".

[randallscott35]

The article had a lot more than gay albatrosses, I'm sorry if that's all you saw....I disagree with the dimmer switch comment. That would make it seem like everyone would have a propensity to be gay at some point. I don't think so....Which is why I don't believe anyone is truly bisexual at all. They are lying to themselves.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The article had a lot more than gay albatrosses, I'm sorry if that's all you saw....I disagree with the dimmer switch comment. That would make it seem like everyone would have a propensity to be gay at some point. I don't think so....Which is why I don't believe anyone is truly bisexual at all. They are lying to themselves.

It's not just about albatrosses -- but the first one to condemn the article basically said as much. There are tons of studies out there that are similar and have shown homosexuality in nature over and over and over.

I think I speak for anyone that any talk of albatrosses from here out is nothing but mocking the poster who gave a wise word of caution to not make a jump from them to humans.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The study was done on albatross,not humans. Sorry, too big of a stretch.

Yeah albatross' have big cocks.

[Riot]

Let's talk about what really matters: Who here thinks they have the right to poke themselves and their own personal opinions into someone else's bedroom-love-sex-entire life?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's talk about what really matters: Who here thinks they have the right to poke themselves and their own personal opinions into someone else's bedroom-love-sex-entire life?

This is not the topic of the thread for a reason. A very simple question, either people are born gay or they aren't...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's talk about what really matters: Who here thinks they have the right to poke themselves and their own personal opinions into someone else's bedroom-love-sex-entire life?

I have yet to talk to anyone about their sexlife,and probably won't in the future. Please send this "news release" to GLAAD right away,huh?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The article had a lot more than gay albatrosses, I'm sorry if that's all you saw....I disagree with the dimmer switch comment. That would make it seem like everyone would have a propensity to be gay at some point. I don't think so....Which is why I don't believe anyone is truly bisexual at all. They are lying to themselves.

i wasn't arguing that everyone had a propensity to be gay.

i'm arguing that sexuality is a lot more complex then a simple state of "a" or "b" and that's all there is to it.

guilt can drive you toward simplistic explanations. and most of us don't want to rummage around in the basement enough to find out what actually drives us.

but someone saying they've never, ever, ever, had a passing gay thought is like someone saying they have never, ever, ever, had a passing thought of harming another.

that's why i say most people are somewhere on a sliding scale.