I always thought Shaughnessy was an idiot but...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Then if you are convinced of that why watch?

There is no more manipulative organization in sports than the NCAA yet I never hear you complain about the refs there.....oops I forgot you think those refs are all cheating too.

This tournament had bad officiating, but overall NCAA refs are a billion times more down the middle than NBA refs. I can't believe you would even argue this.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This tournament had bad officiating, but overall NCAA refs are a billion times more down the middle than NBA refs. I can't believe you would even argue this.

LOL

I find it funny that people who hate the NBA and have stated that they dont watch it much suddenly are experts on it.

NBA refs generally do a good job.

[TheSpyder]

This kid can play! I was out there today and the conditions were very tough. He just killed it out there.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/5/2/...overshadows-an

http://www.smittyonsportsandstuff.co...tics-lose.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...e-one-collapse

http://celticshub.com/2010/05/01/fun...-93/#more-7847

google Celtic blogs and randomly picked game summaries from Celts fans

not many ref complaints

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

This kid can play! I was out there today and the conditions were very tough. He just killed it out there.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL

I find it funny that people who hate the NBA and have stated that they dont watch it much suddenly are experts on it.

NBA refs generally do a good job.

Sure they do. I know you. I know you can't believe this. Why do you think I hate the NBA? For fun?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/5/2/...overshadows-an

http://www.smittyonsportsandstuff.co...tics-lose.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...e-one-collapse

http://celticshub.com/2010/05/01/fun...-93/#more-7847

google Celtic blogs and randomly picked game summaries from Celts fans

not many ref complaints

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/5/1/...nding#comments

Plenty of ref complaints in the actual game recap, not a cherry-picked feature piece about Rondo.

[dalakhani]

I love the NBA. At the same time, how can you not question calls when the financial interests of the league depend on certain players going further in the playoffs?

Of course, refs can not entirely dictate the outcome of a game. At the same time, I can't deny that there are some key moments where a 50/50 game can be swung one way or the other.

The differences between the NBA and the way other sports leagues are marketed are many. One thing that David Stern changed in the marketing of the league was the emphasis he placed on marketing individual stars as opposed to entire teams. He has stated this in the past. It is important to the league that those stars get the most exposure. Again, it isn't going to change entire games and generally the best team wins. Sometimes, they are given a little extra help.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/5/1/...nding#comments

Plenty of ref complaints in the actual game recap, not a cherry-picked feature piece about Rondo.

Cherry picked...you are impossible. Read the game recaps not the retards making comments. Like I said i randomly picked Celtic blogs and didnt see much complaining about the refs from people who you would think are ardent Celtic fans.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I love the NBA. At the same time, how can you not question calls when the financial interests of the league depend on certain players going further in the playoffs?

Of course, refs can not entirely dictate the outcome of a game. At the same time, I can't deny that there are some key moments where a 50/50 game can be swung one way or the other.

The differences between the NBA and the way other sports leagues are marketed are many. One thing that David Stern changed in the marketing of the league was the emphasis he placed on marketing individual stars as opposed to entire teams. He has stated this in the past. It is important to the league that those stars get the most exposure. Again, it isn't going to change entire games and generally the best team wins. Sometimes, they are given a little extra help.

Sure there is a little button that Stern pushes from the league office and activates the refs whistles when a close game is on the line.

While there is a certain truth to some of what you say, the matchups that have come through the last few years (with the exception of Boston/LA) are hardly the optimum revenue producers.

The game is marketed differently because the top players are far more important in basketball than they are in other sports. Payton Manning is probably the most important player to his team in football yet he isnt even on the field half the game. Same with baseball players. Not to mention that there are a whole lot fewer of them.

Missing FT's and not boxing out contribute to 10000 times more losses than some perceived ref bias.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cherry picked...you are impossible. Read the game recaps not the retards making comments. Like I said i randomly picked Celtic blogs and didnt see much complaining about the refs from people who you would think are ardent Celtic fans.

The guys writing the recaps hardly ever complain about refs, their job is to write about the team. The people making comments aren't Celtic fans? OK, got it. Your attempt to validate the refereeing is straight comedy. You pick an article about Rondo and say "see, no ref complaints." LMAO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The guys writing the recaps hardly ever complain about refs, their job is to write about the team. The people making comments aren't Celtic fans? OK, got it. Your attempt to validate the refereeing is straight comedy. You pick an article about Rondo and say "see, no ref complaints." LMAO.

Didnt realize the blogging sector in the job market was so lucrative that people are getting paid so much to do them that they wouldnt notice all these terrible calls. I guess David Stern controls all the information flow.

I didnt pick anything, I just posted links, perhaps the more pertinent stroy was further down the line?

I am not attempting to validate anything. I just thought that if the refs were so terrible than someone with some credentials however flimsy would be writing about them.

How bad could the refs have been? Rasheed didnt even get a T.

[dalakhani]

The refs didnt play the defense that let the Cavs back in the game. There was one three that Lebron hit at the end of the game where Pierce literally has his back to him. I guess he learned all of those great defensive fundamentals from Roy Williams at KU.

The celtic bench was outscored 26-12 and their big 3 was outshot by the cav big three. ultimately, this put them in a position where the refs could have a say in the outcome.

The hack on pierce with the game tied that wasnt called was pretty huge. I don't think Stern sits in his office and pushes a button but I don't doubt that the refs have an idea of which way calls need to go if there is a grey area.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The refs didnt play the defense that let the Cavs back in the game. There was one three that Lebron hit at the end of the game where Pierce literally has his back to him. I guess he learned all of those great defensive fundamentals from Roy Williams at KU.

The celtic bench was outscored 26-12 and their big 3 was outshot by the cav big three. ultimately, this put them in a position where the refs could have a say in the outcome.

The hack on pierce with the game tied that wasnt called was pretty huge. I don't think Stern sits in his office and pushes a button but I don't doubt that the refs have an idea of which way calls need to go if there is a grey area.

That is ridiclous

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is ridiclous

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It is pretty much a given that home teams get more calls than road teams. It is reasonable to assume that a star may get a call that a lesser player may not get. But the idea that the league instructs its refs to fix games is preposterous.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is pretty much a given that home teams get more calls than road teams. It is reasonable to assume that a star may get a call that a lesser player may not get. But the idea that the league instructs its refs to fix games is preposterous.

Fix games? No. Have the grey area go a certain direction? You are acting like this is some kind of original idea. You are acting like refs are beyond reproach. Even the FBI says that they found some truth in Donaghy's claims. Are they being ridiculous as well?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Fix games? No. Have the grey area go a certain direction? You are acting like this is some kind of original idea. You are acting like refs are beyond reproach. Even the FBI says that they found some truth in Donaghy's claims. Are they being ridiculous as well?

Determining the outcome of a game by making intentionally erroneous calls is fixing the game. The idea while not original is still ridiclous.

I am not acting like the refs are beyond reproach in any manner. I am acting like the idea that the NBA instructs its refs to insure that a certain teams wins a game is nonsense.

Video review also showed that in many of the games Donaghy supposedly bet on, there were no controversial or even blatantly wrong calls made by him.

There would be far too many people with this knowledge to keep it a secret and there is no way the NBA is letting San Antonio win all those titles. They are ratings death.

[Cannon Shell]

Not to mention if the NBA did want to "arrange" the outcome, they would have wanted Boston to win the opener to grow interest in the series.