I need to listen to ATR more often

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

She will get enormous credit, but there will still be some disappointment from me that they didn't test her more often. Once again, I want to see Zenyatta against the top competition because I think she's awesome, and I'd like to see empirically just how awesome rather than deal in conjecture forever.

Isn't that what Beyer Speed Figures are for?

[justindew]

I think there are a lot of very good points being made on both sides of the issue. Personally, it bothers me that people keep ripping on the Mosses for not shipping or taking on the best boys or whatever. I mean, she DID win the BC Classic. She DID go to Oaklawn twice. And she was willing to take on Rachel. Has it been the most daring career in history? Of course not. But maybe the Mosses just like having an undefeated horse who has amassed a bunch of Grade I wins while really never ducking anyone in the traditional sense of the word. Maybe they are enjoying themselves and the ride that Zenyatta is giving them, and they get some kind of satisfaction out of seeing a goose egg in the loss column. Who cares if they are hoping to retire her undefeated? I'm sure they've pumped a bunch of money into the sport over the years, and I don't think they owe anyone anything. If people wanted to challenge her, they knew where to find her at the BC last year. And they'll probably be able to find her at the Classic this year.

Also, no way she would have beaten Azeri on dirt at 8.5 furlongs.

[CSC]

Steve and Steve II

This time Byk vs. Haskin, enjoyed it, great radio again.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by justindew

If people wanted to challenge her, they knew where to find her at the BC last year.

I laughed.

[skyfire]

I just heard Hour 2, and you were speaking for me!! Good for you - great radio, and you don't back down!!

I can't understand why Zenyatta's team brought her back if not to forge new trails!! Unless she is given a chance at history by taking on all comers, in new venues, why bother? Why risk her? She should have been bred to Smart Strike.

She could be the greatest mare of all time but she isn't being given the chance to prove it.

Why not the Ogden Phipps? Why not (if staying on West Coast), the Hollywood Gold Cup and Pacific Classic? After all the hoopla of her "retirement", this campaign is not worthy, and certainly is not historic or bold (see Goldikova management).

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There haven't been too many races of the decade this decade since it started 6 months ago.

I vote for the Vanity. Should hold up no problem

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I disagree. If she goes undefeated and wins the BC Classic this year for the 2nd year in a row, I think her legacy will be greater than if she ran against the boys a few more times and lost.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think Zenyatta will have a problem with dirt. I think she's just as good on the dirt. I don't think the dirt will be the issue. The tougher competition will be the issue.

Her advancing age will be the biggest issue, in my estimation

Not even a 6yo male has been able to take the BCC

Heard she loved the CD strip the short time she was there last year … and she's clearly a legit 10f runner … so if she can catch a dry track, she's got a shot … but I'd feel a hell of a lot better if she was a year younger.

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by skyfire

I just heard Hour 2, and you were speaking for me!! Good for you - great radio, and you don't back down!!

Just listened myself and agree, reminded me of last year when Steve made his thoughts known about Dunkirk to a caller.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by CSC

Supposing she beats all of dirt racing's best, Blame, Quality Road, Rachel A, and even some poly and turf horses in the BCC, what then? Does she have to go to Japan to prove she is the world's best horse? I'm just trying to wrap my head around it if it happens, how will this forum react.

Cue the Jeopardy music....

Can think of at least a half dozen members who would probably blow their brains out … lol

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Okay Zenyatta fans....you win.

I have been trying my hardest to still like and cheer for this horse despite your insanity, but I give up. If I am honest with myself I have to admit that I hope the mare loses every race she runs in for the rest of her career just so you people will shut the hell up.

Thanks a lot for ruining a pretty cool horse for me.

Your honesty is admirable … and you clearly have plenty of company on this board.


By the way, Z is a VERY cool horse.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

To say the streak is not a big deal is ridiculous. It's almost impossible to win 15 graded stakes races in a row, no matter how carefully you pick your spots. You can catch some easy graded stakes races occassionally but you can't do it consistently and that is why it's never been done.

Not to mention the fact that she's a deep closer … which makes the streak even more remarkable.


By the way, some really outstanding work on this thread, Mr. Pumpkin

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Not to mention the fact that she's a deep closer … which makes the streak even more remarkable.


By the way, some really outstanding work on this thread, Mr. Pumpkin

Bullshit, on synthetic it is an advantage to be a closer.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Paulicks site has surpassed PA in having the most morons posting

Check out TC sometime

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Let's see what Smooth Operator has to say about this comparison:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...nda&id=5295105

Time for Goldilocks to step up and compete against the best horses in the biggest, richest, and most prestigious race in North America … the BCC.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Bullshit, on synthetic it is an advantage to be a closer.

A deeeeeeeeeep closer?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

A deeeeeeeeeep closer?

Do you watch races? Do you bet? I just can't see how someone with a marginal grasp of horse racing could be so far in the tank.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Alright. Fair enough. I see your point. I partially agree. I agree that we would have a better idea as to exactly how good she is if she shipped more. But that doesn't mean I would ship her more if she was my horse. It would depend how she handles shipping. They acted like the trip to Arkansas did in fact tire her out quite a bit. The commentators said she looked like she has lost a little weight. Assuming that is the case, I probably wouldn't ship her again before the BC.

Was at HP last Sunday and wholeheartedly agree with this

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Her advancing age will be the biggest issue, in my estimation

Not even a 6yo male has been able to take the BCC

Heard she loved the CD strip the short time she was there last year … and she's clearly a legit 10f runner … so if she can catch a dry track, she's got a shot … but I'd feel a hell of a lot better if she was a year younger.

There are two excuses already...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Time for Goldilocks to step up and compete against the best horses in the biggest, richest, and most prestigious race in North America … the BCC.

If what we have here are the best horses than Euro racing should just be abolished.