18 months down, 30 to go...

[joeydb]

The countdown until Obama the Destroyer leaves office.

Yeah, I know, it's that depressing.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The countdown until Obama the Destroyer leaves office.

Yeah, I know, it's that depressing.

That's not what's depressing

[santana]

Ummm....between the choices the USA had.....he was easily the better choice.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by santana

Ummm....between the choices the USA had.....he was easily the better choice.

??

As crazy as Palin is... Biden ain't too much better... they are basically a wash, though the slight edge goes to Biden.

I have no clue how anyone, even a liberal, could say that Obama was "easily the better choice" than McCain. McCain had more knowledge & experience about government and military in his pinky finger than Obama knew in 2008.

[Danzig]

i think many of our choices for president the last few elections have been a huge disappointment. we're supposed to be the greatest country in the world-we had a choice of bush vs gore...bush vs kerry, and then mccain vs obama. that's the shame of it. i don't think it matters who won these last three votes, we were screwed either way.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think many of our choices for president the last few elections have been a huge disappointment. we're supposed to be the greatest country in the world-we had a choice of bush vs gore...bush vs kerry, and then mccain vs obama. that's the shame of it. i don't think it matters who won these last three votes, we were screwed either way.

I would say the mediocrity of our candidates comes from most of them arriving on the national scene from the same path.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think many of our choices for president the last few elections have been a huge disappointment. we're supposed to be the greatest country in the world-we had a choice of bush vs gore...bush vs kerry, and then mccain vs obama. that's the shame of it. i don't think it matters who won these last three votes, we were screwed either way.

As an aside, why do so many people care that/if we are the "greatest country in the World"? In a lot of ways we are, but in a lot we aren't. So what?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

As an aside, why do so many people care that/if we are the "greatest country in the World"? In a lot of ways we are, but in a lot we aren't. So what?

i'm just saying that if we are the greatest, why can't we get the greatest people to run it? we can't be great if we're run by mediocrities.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I have no clue how anyone, even a liberal, could say that Obama was "easily the better choice" than McCain.

You don't? Well, if a person is liberal on social issues, and liberal on economic issues, wouldn't Obama be the better choice for them? It isn't like it is just a job where you compare CVs and see who is the most qualified/experienced. I would vote for a one-term state representative from a rural district in Idaho over Mitch McConnell if the Idaho person shared my basic set of values.
Does McConnell have more "knowledge and experience?" Of course. But that doesn't mean he fits my definition of a good president.

The same holds true for people of the other side. Did millions of Republicans vote for Mike Huckabee instead of McCain in the primary because they thought he had more knowledge and experience? Of course not. They voted for him because they figured he loved Jesus and hated minorities as much as they did....(or whatever their particular reasons may have been).

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by GBBob

As an aside, why do so many people care that/if we are the "greatest country in the World"? In a lot of ways we are, but in a lot we aren't. So what?

I've never understood that either. It is the stupidest, most made-up title imaginable.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm just saying that if we are the greatest, why can't we get the greatest people to run it? we can't be great if we're run by mediocrities.

The President can only do so much..It's just the luck of the draw who happens to be in office during upswings and down swings. I personally think Reagan was a buffoon who was in the right place at the right time. Others say the same about Clinton. Ultimately, that's why I always vote for for a Liberal...the economy will swing back and forth almost imhune to who is Prez, but the Social issues ultimately controlled by the Supreme Court and by judges appointed by the President are what I want to affect.

[Antitrust32]

I dont know about others, but I am extremely proud to live in the "greatest country in the world". which it is, hands down.

no matter who in charge is screwing up the country, whether Repub, Dem, or Ross Perot, I will always have great pride in being an American.

The best thing that has ever happen to any one of us was being born in the land of the free & the home of the brave.

and for the question of "So What?" Many of our ansestors have fought til the death to give us our freedoms. Our country was founded for the greatest reasons and sets of ideals that have ever been known to man kind. That is the So What for me.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know about others, but I am extremely proud to live in the "greatest country in the world". which it is, hands down.

no matter who in charge is screwing up the country, whether Repub, Dem, or Ross Perot, I will always have great pride in being an American.

The best thing that has ever happen to any one of us was being born in the land of the free & the home of the brave.

Lori...most of the World is the land of the free and the home of the brave..and with a lot more years of bravery to back them up. I disagree that's it's the best thing that ever happened to you, although that's your right to feel that way.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The best thing that has ever happen to any one of us was being born in the land of the free & the home of the brave.

I feel really bad for immigrants to this country, or people who live in some other country....I guess they have to decide for themselves what the best thing to ever happen in their life will be. All of us who were born here don't have that pesky problem. We had the best thing that will ever happen to us happen in the very first second of our life.

[Antitrust32]

can you list a few of these countries that are better than the USA?

England? if they were so great we wouldnt have fought so hard to succeed from them.

France? If it wasnt for the USA, there would have been no more France in the 1940's.

I guess if you agree with socialism over capitalism, and think the reason to work hard is to be taxed hard, then yes, there are better countries out there.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I feel really bad for immigrants to this country, or people who live in some other country....I guess they have to decide for themselves what the best thing to ever happen in their life will be. All of us who were born here don't have that pesky problem. We had the best thing that will ever happen to us happen in the very first second of our life.

i'm sure that the people born in South America, Africa, Asia, the middle East, Russia & parts of western Europe were all so lucky to be born there.

Go ahead and keep taking for granted all the opportunities we have here. Its not a big deal.. most people these days take it all for granted.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The countdown until Obama the Destroyer leaves office.

Yeah, I know, it's that depressing.

I have the bottle of champagne chillin for 2 1/2 more years

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

can you list a few of these countries that are better than the USA?

England? if they were so great we wouldnt have fought so hard to succeed from them.

France? If it wasnt for the USA, there would have been no more France in the 1940's.

I guess if you agree with socialism over capitalism, and think the reason to work hard is to be taxed hard, then yes, there are better countries out there.

Are you serious with this? I've rarely read a post where I honestly considered responding with every single available emoticon.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Lori...most of the World is the land of the free and the home of the brave..and with a lot more years of bravery to back them up. I disagree that's it's the best thing that ever happened to you, although that's your right to feel that way.

and there is no way that most of the world is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

If you would have said most of Europe.. I'd agree. Europe and the USA / Canada make up a pretty small chunk.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Are you serious with this? I've rarely read a post where I honestly considered responding with every single available emoticon.

I'm dead fucl<ing serious.

And I am not at all ashamed of my pride for America.