"Tea Party" implodes & divides: buh-bye, racist Mark Williams

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, I read it. What did I miss?

Support for your contention.

Posting old internet about investigations that are or may be initiated doesn't prove voter fraud.

Can you post the results of those investigations?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So you do have a problem with the liberal-leaning bias of the other stations? That's funny, you've never mentioned it. You call Fox News "Faux News". I've never heard you knock CBS or any of the other news stations.

If I were going to choose, "media biased to the left-progressive" news orgs, CBS News wouldn't be at the top of the list

But it's your party choice - whatcha got? Post some transcripts or video showing CBS News is as biased as Faux News.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Support for your contention.

Posting old internet about investigations that are or may be initiated doesn't prove voter fraud.

Can you post the results of those investigations?

Here is some history of the rampant corruption at Acorn.

I'll give you a tidbit here but there is 20x more at the website that I will provide you a link to.

WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.

NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.

2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.

IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

[Riot]

Here is some history of the rampant corruption at Acorn.

I'll give you a tidbit here but there is 20x more at the website that I will provide you a link to.

WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

"Rampant corruption"? Do you know how big this org is? How many volunteers, employees?

Three people, 2000 bad voter reg cards submitted. Did Mickey Mouse get to actually vote in any elections?

PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.

What was the result of the indictment?

NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers.

What was the result of the indictment?

2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.

What was the result of this indictment?

IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.

So, we have a huge, nationwide voter registration group with tons of employees and even more volunteers, and the best the "Hate Acorn" site [pretty fair and unbiased, right? ] you quoted as reference for "rampant corruption" and "widespread voter fraud all across the country" can come up with is the above?

A bunch of lazy people filling out Mickey Mouse on voter registration cards? (indeed fraudulent, and I certainly don't dismiss it, but not remotely related to any actual election fixing-voting)

Do you have anything else on where ACORN advised and supported people to do this, etc? That it was an organizationally-driven culture or requirement? Among the thousands and thousands of ACORN members?

Because that hasn't come out in all the ACORN intense examination during the pre-election runup in 2008-2009, from the far right media screaming about it. All they could come up with was the above.

I personally think that's kind of anemic on a national scale, but I grew up in the Chicago area, so my perception of what constitutes "rampant widespread corruption and widespread voter fraud" is probably a bit skewed.

Look, you're free to think what you wish about ACORN, but personally, the whistles hurt my ears

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Rampant corruption"? Do you know how big this org is? How many volunteers, employees?

Three people, 2000 bad voter reg cards submitted. Did Mickey Mouse get to actually vote in any elections?



What was the result of the indictment?



What was the result of the indictment?



What was the result of this indictment?



So, we have a huge, nationwide voter registration group with tons of employees and even more volunteers, and the best the "Hate Acorn" site [pretty fair and unbiased, right? ] you quoted as reference for "rampant corruption" and "widespread voter fraud all across the country" can come up with is the above?

A bunch of lazy people filling out Mickey Mouse on voter registration cards? (indeed fraudulent, and I certainly don't dismiss it, but not remotely related to any actual election fixing-voting)

Do you have anything else on where ACORN advised and supported people to do this, etc? That it was an organizationally-driven culture or requirement? Among the thousands and thousands of ACORN members?

Because that hasn't come out in all the ACORN intense examination during the pre-election runup in 2008-2009, from the far right media screaming about it. All they could come up with was the above.

I personally think that's kind of anemic on a national scale, but I grew up in the Chicago area, so my perception of what constitutes "rampant widespread corruption and widespread voter fraud" is probably a bit skewed.

Look, you're free to think what you wish about ACORN, but personally, the whistles hurt my ears

No, those were not the only cases. There were about 30 more cases at the site I listed the link to.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

No, those were not the only cases. There were about 30 more cases at the site I listed the link to.

Don't confuse Riot with the facts,please. It's not supposed to be gamesmanship to get over on the other party! What Acorn did was illegal and unethical, and from most appearances they were de-funded for a period of time. But Riot continues to chatter with glee when the Party whom she says is her Party stumbles etc etc.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Don't confuse Riot with the facts,please. It's not supposed to be gamesmanship to get over on the other party! What Acorn did was illegal and unethical, and from most appearances they were de-funded for a period of time. But Riot continues to chatter with glee when the Party whom she says is her Party stumbles etc etc.

The "facts" have always seemed to be a hysterical over-reaction on the part of some regarding ACORN.

Click.

Treat.

[timmgirvan]

So...please explain what, if anything, Acorn did wrong...in your not so humble opinion?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So...please explain what, if anything, Acorn did wrong...in your not so humble opinion?

I already have. Registering fake voters is obviously wrong. So is broadly painting a huge nationwide organization (nearly half a million members, over a thousand charters) fraudulent for the acts of a few idiots. I'm waiting for you guys to bring up the issue of voter fraud in the other registered twenty-plus orgs that do voter registration on a national level.