Classic - Juvie figure comparison

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here is a chart on how much faster the Classic was in relation to the Juvie on Beyer figures...

The wider the spread ... obviously the more dominant the Classic winner was.

2010: Blame +3 over Uncle Mo

2009: Zenyatta +21 over Vale of York

2008: Raven's Pass +19 over Midshapman

2007: Curlin +6 over War Pass

2006: Invasor +8 over Street Sense

2005: Saint Liam +8 over Stevie Wonderboy

2004: Ghostzapper +26 over Wilko

2003: Pleasantly Perfect +27 over Action This Day

2002: Volponi +14 over Vindication

2001: Tiznow +18 over Johannesburg

2000: Tiznow +17 over Macho Uno

1999: Cat Thief +16 over Anees

1998: Awesome Again +19 over Answer Lively

1997: Skip Away +19 over Favorite Trick

1996: Alphabet Soup +16 over Boston Harbor

1995: Cigar +14 over Unbridled's Song

1994: Concern +15 over Timber Country

1993: Arcangues +17 over Brocco

1992: A. P. Indy +27 over Gilded Time

1991: Black Tie Affair +19 over Arazi

1990: Unbridled +15 over Fly So Free

1989: Sunday Silence +26 over Rhythm

As you can see - the most dominant Breeders Cup Classic winner in relation to the BC Juvie winner was Pleasantly Perfect (+27) over Action This Day - and A. P. Indy (+27) over Gilded Time.

27 points equals 17.5 lengths at the distance of 9fs. Just in case anyone forgets how bad Action This Day was ... here's a reminder ...




Uncle Mo is only the 4th instance where a BC Juvie winner was able to get within less than 14 points (or 9 lengths at 9fs) of a BC Classic winner. He ran the all-time strongest race by a Juvie Winner in relation to the Classic winner.

War Pass was the previous leader at +6. When War Pass won the BC Juvie, future eclipse champion Kodiak Kowboy finished 3rd beaten 16.75 lengths in an 11 horse field. Future Wood Memorial winner Tale of Ekati was 4th by 17.5


Street Sense had a 10 length Breeders Cup Juvie win at Churchill.

The surprising one was Stevie Wonderboy. He beat a nice field of 2yo's. Henny Hughes, First Samurai, and Brother Derek ran 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. The weakness of the Breeders Cup Classic that year was probably what amounted for the small gap.

Flower Alley was 2nd by a length in that years Classic - and Perfect Drift was a close 3rd ...



PERFECT DRIFT:



Both of them burned up a ton of money after the '05 Classic.


The bottom line is this .... there was no sloppy track today like War Pass had ... there was no pace setup/dream trip rail run like Street Sense had ... either Uncle Mo is truly a complete freak ... or we just witnessed a tremendously bad edition of the BC Classic. Most likely, it's probably a whole lot of both.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Here is a chart on how much faster the Classic was in relation to the Juvie on Beyer figures...

The wider the spread ... obviously the more dominant the Classic winner was.





As you can see - the most dominant Breeders Cup Classic winner in relation to the BC Juvie winner was Pleasantly Perfect (+27) over Action This Day - and A. P. Indy (+27) over Gilded Time.

27 points equals 17.5 lengths at the distance of 9fs. Just in case anyone forgets how bad Action This Day was ... here's a reminder ...



The bottom line is this .... there was no sloppy track today like War Pass had ... there was no pace setup/dream trip rail run like Street Sense had ... either Uncle Mo is truly a complete freak ... or we just witnessed a tremendously bad edition of the BC Classic. Most likely, it's probably a whole lot of both.

Your bottom line is pretty obvious. Then again, it might not be obvious to a few people on here.

The only thing your two hours of research tells me is that Anees is the worst BCJ winner ever.

[johnny pinwheel]

its actually a waste of time because theres one great horse in the entire list,,,street sense. the rest were all under achievers. so you won't know crap about this horse until next year. the way this breeders cup (juvenile) goes and the way people race their horses. theres bound to be better out there as 3 yo's. its been happening since the BC started.

[Thunder Gulch]

Uncle Mo is a complete freak. That was a fast group of 2yo's on paper and he toyed with them.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

its actually a waste of time because theres one great horse in the entire list,,,street sense. the rest were all under achievers. so you won't know crap about this horse until next year. the way this breeders cup (juvenile) goes and the way people race their horses. theres bound to be better out there as 3 yo's. its been happening since the BC started.

OMG. Street sense is the only great horse on that list?

Even giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you meant only of the two year olds in this list, there are many on that list that are much much better. Of the 22 on that list, I'd rate him 11th.

[cmorioles]

I actually have the split at 2, but I use 100ths, not 5th. I think both figs are a tad high, but not the split, that is right.