Why retire her?

[Princess Doreen]

I don't have an opinion one way or another. But, I do think the Moss's may be considering Dubai. I believe they are desperate for Zenyatta to recoup the little bit of prestige she may have lost yesterday. However, another loss would send Jerry Moss and Mike Smith straight to the looney bin.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How do we know that there weren't a couple of future Freddymos or DrugS out there in the stands for the first time to see big Z for the first time?

May I use that as my new signature?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No one can know any of that. My best guess is you could certainly safely put her top 10 to 15 female without hesitation or is that getting too far out there?

I can think of one crop of three year old fillies that had about five or six that were better than Zenyatta.

[The Bid]

If thats what you think, you better stick to being stupid which seems to come pretty easy for you

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

May I use that as my new signature?

Charlie, I would be honored!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Bid

If thats what you think, you better stick to being stupid which seems to come pretty easy for you

This coming from the person who thinks Zenyatta almost fell and lost seven lengths.

Do you really believe that Zenyatta would have been competitive with Inside Information, Lakeway, Sardula, or even Heavenly Prize?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

If they brought her back next year she would probably still be a very good horse who could rack up some G1 and G2 wins. Of course, the same was true of Rachel Alexandra and she was retired too.
Most owners, including Zenyatta's, are probably too concerned with their horse's legacy to actually risk losing more races.
It is really too bad. If they actually did that and tried to win the DWC with her, I'd probably be cheering for her for the first time ever.

Which is ironic considering the lack of knowledge of the history of the sport and it's great horses which has been on display lately. Seriously in the last 5 years I have heard cases made that that Smarty Jones, Big Brown, Curlin, Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta are top 10 all ten horses.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No one can know any of that. My best guess is you could certainly safely put her top 10 to 15 female without hesitation or is that getting too far out there?

I agree. top 15 female. Not in the top 100 of both genders though.

She ran a great race Saturday.. I gained more respect for that race than 18 of her 19 previous.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I don't think it's a "slam-dunk" that she will be retired. Once they have more time to think about it, I think there is a decent chance that they will change their minds. If I had to make a line on it, I'd say there is a 30% chance they change their minds and decide to run her next year.

By the way, she's not going to a farm in Kentucky right now. She's heading back to California to Hollywood Park. That will make it even easier for them to change their minds.

If Zenyatta would have won the Classic, I don't think there is any chance that they would have run her again. But since she lost (and the connections feel she was best and should have won), they may want to give it another try next year.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think it's a "slam-dunk" that she will be retired. Once they have more time to think about it, I think there is a decent chance that they will change their minds. If I had to make a line on it, I'd say there is a 30% chance they change their minds and decide to run her next year.

By the way, she's not going to a farm in Kentucky right now. She's heading back to California to Hollywood Park. That will make it even easier for them to change their minds.

If Zenyatta would have won the Classic, I don't think there is any chance that they would have run her again. But since she lost (and the connections feel she was best and should have won), they may want to give it another try next year.

I don't see an upside to bring her back at 7, especially if it's just to appease the California fans, and try to win the vanity or lady's secret for the 16th time. If they were interested in running in the SA handicap, Hollywood gold cup, or an open company G1 outside of California I would be interested. Hell, try her on the turf. Anything but the same campaign as 2010.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I don't see an upside to bring her back at 7, especially if it's just to appease the California fans, and try to win the vanity or lady's secret for the 16th time. If they were interested in running in the SA handicap, Hollywood gold cup, or an open company G1 outside of California I would be interested. Hell, try her on the turf. Anything but the same campaign as 2010.

Would the campaign of 2009 suit you?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I don't see an upside to bring her back at 7, especially if it's just to appease the California fans, and try to win the vanity or lady's secret for the 16th time. If they were interested in running in the SA handicap, Hollywood gold cup, or an open company G1 outside of California I would be interested. Hell, try her on the turf. Anything but the same campaign as 2010.

I can guarantee you that they are very frustrated right now. They wanted to win the Classic again and they wanted to win HOY and they're not going to get either. I think they believe in their hearts that if that race was run over again that she would win. It's frustrating when you feel you had the best horse but you got beat because of the trip (not being used to the dirt in her face and having to tap on the brakes turning for home). Whether they are correct about this is irrelevant but that is definitely what they think.

If they brought her back next year, it would definitely be a different campaign. The final goal would be the BC Classic but I think they would also run her at least once (and possibly twice) in other big races back east such as the Stephen Foster and/or the Whitney, etc.

The main goal of bringing her back would be to win HOY.

[Danzig]

lol
they could have avoided all that had they done what they said they were going to do this year. had she run/won just once in open company in cali, her loss by a head in the bc wouldn't keep her out of hoy. whether the big cap, the pac classic, hollywood gold cup..
but no, they had to chase the win streak.



thing is, it seems more, not less horses are able to lay down win streaks lately. citation did it decades ago, then mr frisky and cigar tied him-shortly followed by hallowed dreams and then peppers pride who passed them- she just retired a couple years ago. now zenyatta tied her, with azeri just having a dozen in a row not long before. they lost the war, again, with the same ho hum campaign. someone remind me the definition of insanity?

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

This coming from the person who thinks Zenyatta almost fell and lost seven lengths.

Do you really believe that Zenyatta would have been competitive with Inside Information, Lakeway, Sardula, or even Heavenly Prize?

....come on man thats even over the top for you.

[my miss storm cat]

I haven't read this entire thread (yet) but am wondering where this Dubai thing came from...

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I haven't read this entire thread (yet) but am wondering where this Dubai thing came from...

Wishful thinking.

[my miss storm cat]

Aaah okay that's what I wondered cause I think there's a better chance of me suddenly sprouting three additional heads than her going there.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....come on man thats even over the top for you.

Hey man, I didn't make that up. That one guy posting said that she lost seven lengths.

[alysheba4]

just messing with you, i have a feeling this will be continuing for a few more months......

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Yeah, but those people don't bet enough and they make signs with Zenyatta dancing and it is a mockery of the sport and it's integrity.

And Borel acting like a crazed lunatic for five minutes in front of the largest TV audience the BC has had since the 80s is good for the sport?