Privman: Let the Horse of the Year Debate Begin

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by prudery

No you don't get it but Drugs did a better job than I did to get the point across .

There's a stunner.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Ask any trainer other than John Shirreffs and they'll tell you who the winner is. Same thing with any owner outside of the Mosses.

Much to my surprise, and despite saying if Blame, Zenyatta, Quality Road, or Lookin At Lucky are HOTY if they win the Classic, Baffert said he'd pick Zenyatta.

We're all in mad love with that mare, but c'mon, Blame earned that. It's not Zenyatta's fault, it's not Mike Smith's fault. She's just as amazing whether she won it or not, but the horse that finished in front of her had a legitimate stake in HOTY going in. The Mosses could've gotten that for her, but it's all the eggs in one basket approach that backfired. As the Mig said, it's not just that dirt hit her in the face, it's that the speed of it was that much harder since there were a lot of horses and some were much faster than the fields from before. They took a risk, and it almost worked, but you gotta give credit where it's due. He gets it.

Someone made a Tara Lipinski/Michelle Kwan comparison with Blame and Zenyatta. As a Kwan fan, it's actually one that makes sense to me, but I have to point out that Michelle being the total package and one of our finest American athletes ever doesn't mean she gets the gold medal if that particular set of performances doesn't beat Tara's on the scoreboard. It's bad luck, someone else had the better day, peaked at the right time, and got the prize.

[Indian Charlie]

And people were naive enough to think that once Zenyatta lost, the Zenyattardism was going to die down!

[Dahoss]

If Blame's campaign was chickensh.it, what was Zenyatta's?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

And people were naive enough to think that once Zenyatta lost, the Zenyattardism was going to die down!

Not me. I'm on record as saying it would be worse.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

If Blame's campaign was chickensh.it, what was Zenyatta's?

Chickensh*t too--till the last one .

Everbody's was , is what I was saying--hence no dawrfing .

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Not me. I'm on record as saying it would be worse.

I didn't say anything, but I felt that it will likely continue until about a week after the HOY announcement is made.

By then, I expect all of the rest of us to have taken each others lives in a mass suicide pact.

BONZAI!

[Indian Charlie]

Uncle Mo's campaign was not chickenshit at all.

And yes, he is great. At least what he's done so far is. I'm not sure there is a difference.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by mark2061mn

This was a comment left below the article by a reader. Name look familiar!!

Zenyatta 5 grade 1 wins and 1 grade 1 second. Blame 3 grade 1 wins and 1 grade 1 second. For all intents and purposes The BC classic was a tie, with Blame the edge on his Favorite track. Zenyatta Horse Of The Year.......
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The Bid 08 Nov 2010 3

except the classic wasn't a tie.


and i love the delicious irony involved here...with people criticizing blame for being lightly raced, or with him winning on his 'home track'. lmao....where's all that criticism been regarding a certain other lightly raced horse who's made exactly one trip west of the mississippi??

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by prudery

Chickensh*t too--till the last one .

Everbody's was , is what I was saying--hence no dawrfing .

The difference is, history has shown that in order for a female to win HOY, they need to either defeat males or be really dominating and have there be no standout male during the year.

I'm not saying that is right, but that is how it has been for decades. If both of their campaigns sucked, which I'm not even sure I agree with, then the deciding factor should be head to head. I know it was a head, but Blame beat Zenyatta.

He defeated better horses and won the head to head matchup.

[Indian Charlie]

west?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The difference is, history has shown that in order for a female to win HOY, they need to either defeat males or be really dominating and have there be no standout male during the year.

I'm not saying that is right, but that is how it has been for decades. If both of their campaigns sucked, which I'm not even sure I agree with, then the deciding factor should be head to head. I know it was a head, but Blame beat Zenyatta.

He defeated better horses and won the head to head matchup.

But Z kicked Blames ASS all over the dance floor.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The difference is, history has shown that in order for a female to win HOY, they need to either defeat males or be really dominating and have there be no standout male during the year.

I'm not saying that is right, but that is how it has been for decades. If both of their campaigns sucked, which I'm not even sure I agree with, then the deciding factor should be head to head. I know it was a head, but Blame beat Zenyatta.

He defeated better horses and won the head to head matchup.

I agree about history, but I may agree that Blame was standout. or dwarfed his competition .

I really get that he won, but I really do feel she ran a better race.

As for the males vs females in the HOY choices, of course Azeri got it ibecause there was no stickout male, and Busher got it on her own.

Historically--if you have been around as long as I have , one could say both campaigns and QRs sucked because they were infrequent and spaced and carefully selected--but I didn't say they sucked .

This is what we get these days, and it does make it a little difficult with less information and actual seeing these guys on track with these programs.

In the old days, you truly got a better pictures of who was who because we saw them more, they raced more, and they did take more risks .

Even so, HOY decsions were not always universally approved either .

I still don't know what those rules are for HOY, and that was my main b*tch .

Thank you for your civility ..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by prudery

I really get that he won, but I really do feel she ran a better race.

Feelings > Results in Ztard land.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Feelings > Results in Ztard land.

That's a wrap ..

Your opinion and off topic again .

Next .

[jimmy the T]

The sport of horse racing is dying. Zenyatta put fans in the stands, raced her heart out and should win HOY. BRING HER BACK NEXT YEAR AND CREATE A MEDIA EVENT ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SAVE HORSE RACING. Big Z can save racing no other horse can.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by prudery

That's a wrap ..

Your opinion and off topic again .

Next .

Pot kettle black. I still haven't heard your justification for why Blame shouldn't get HOY. Yours, not Doug's.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pot kettle black. I still haven't heard your justification for why Blame shouldn't get HOY. Yours, not Doug's.

HELLLOOOOO ---I referenced Drugs' post to indicate that accomplishments are subjective, not to argue who got HOY.

If you read all my posts--and don't do me any favors--you might realize that I wasn't arguing HOY on your terms, I was saying the qualifications for HOY are subjective, and Blame dwarfed no one .

Taht is is ..

It can't be any simpler .

Really .

The original post indicated that I was taking umbrage in the fact that there were no set RULES for determining HOY--WTF ...

If I was justify anything,I was trying to justify subjectivity in the term accomplishment .

I really really can not make myself plainer ...

Any further queries will convince me I am dealing with a mammoth pudenda ..

That can't be right, can it ???


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[ateamstupid]

The structure of your posts really reflects the your presence here. Unnecessary space and a lot of words to really say nothing. There's no way you can twist Zenyatta's year into being on par with Blame's. Period. By any measure. So your 'HOY is subjective' point has no relevance here. I'm not arguing with a tard like you who has nothing worthwhile to say and just wants to antagonize people who know more than you.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by prudery

Handle and tv ratings soared big this year, and I assure you it had nothing to do with Blame--and all of that is FACT .

No... it had everything to do with it being on real, actual DIRT at Churchill Downs. Nothing else.