if...Blame wins by 2

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Nice photo, but it doesn't address the post.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

Ugh. So now we're putting "squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road, and Zenyatta" behind wins over Dance to My Tune, Switch, and Rinterval because she had her ears pricked?

I'm not even going to address your comments about 2009 that dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Favorite Trick.

...who did he beat out again?

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by CSC

Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

Blame is far from an all time great horse, and the campaign was conservative by most standards (not Zenyatta's). What if he had taken a softer spot and not caught a stakes speed horse who got loose that day? If he had won the other races he did and beaten a soft 4 horse G3 field that day to be undefeated, who would be HOY? Probably still Zenyatta, but that shows how screwed up the vote is anyway.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

...who did he beat out again?

As I am a Lurker pointed out....Skip Away and Victory Gallop.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Ugh. So now we're putting "squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road, and Zenyatta" behind wins over Dance to My Tune, Switch, and Rinterval because she had her ears pricked?

I'm not even going to address your comments about 2009 that dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.

I wasn't attempting to rehash last year's subject, however I do think people look at other factors...style, popularity, when the gap between 2 horses is a small one. Given Blame did just enough to be HOY last year, I don't see the travesty as others feel it was. Regardless who the horse that beat him is.

[slotdirt]

What's wrong with squeaking out wins over Battle Plan and Quality Road? Those aren't exactly claimers.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Blame is far from an all time great horse, and the campaign was conservative by most standards (not Zenyatta's). What if he had taken a softer spot and not caught a stakes speed horse who got loose that day? If he had won the other races he did and beaten a soft 4 horse G3 field that day to be undefeated, who would be HOY? Probably still Zenyatta, but that shows how screwed up the vote is anyway.

For sure he could have done more last year, and that would have made the decision an easy one.

Again I felt he should have won HOY with his win in the classic, it would have been just punishment for Sheriff's and Moss's putting all their eggs into one basket approach. Saying that, I am not going to be rushing out singing the praises of Blame's campaign and races last year either.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As I am a Lurker pointed out....Skip Away and Victory Gallop.

Wasn't Victory Gallop a two year old in 1997?

I would have thought Formal Gold or Silver Charm.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Wasn't Victory Gallop a two year old in 1997?

I would have thought Formal Gold or Silver Charm.

Yeah, I was confused. It happens.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Which one can dance?

I thought it was funny....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1Q5rflpnA

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, I was confused. It happens.

last time i heard you confused was on a broadcast recently.....wondering why someone would take even money on some mdn 12 mule at the duct. i agreed

[prudery]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Old timers used to say 1 lb = 1 length. That means she lost by 3.....

Scale weight is not considered handicap weight . Old timers know that.

Just saying .

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

I wasn't attempting to rehash last year's subject, however I do think people look at other factors...style, popularity, when the gap between 2 horses is a small one. Given Blame did just enough to be HOY last year, I don't see the travesty as others feel it was. Regardless who the horse that beat him is.

This is when you should stop talking about HOY and go play with Barbies.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is when you should stop talking about HOY and go play with Barbies.

Maybe he's multi tasking.

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, I was confused. It happens.

Horse A and B were Awesome Again and Skip Away.

1998, Skip Away won HOTY despite Awesome Again (who took a very similar route to Blame) winning the Classic.

1997, Favorite Trick won over Skip Away despite Skip Aways dominant Classic win at Santa Anita.

Is it possible voters regretted not giving the award to Skip Away the year before and despite his loss to Awesome Again felt he deserved a HOTY?

Is it possible voters felt Zenyatta deserved a HOTY title because of her impressive 3 years of consistency?

Does history repeat itself?

Too many questions.